Perhaps there should be a different thread on 4H good & bad because that sounds like the real issue and it seems like people have a lot to vent about. But this thread was titled "Because 4H ribbons are sooo special". Well yes, perhaps they are to the owner and I don't see anything wrong or why we should be making fun of them. No their ad is not perfect, but neither are mine. Just trying to get pictures of my horses without them looking like a donkey is nothing short of a miracle. I want to know what a horse can do and not what it looks like in a pretty photo.

Luckierthanhelooks- yes please get involved. If it's that bad then perhaps you can help turn it around. We need people like you image

(Yes I changed my avatar- the mini cooper next to the mini cooper)