Dear Collage Student,

LOL> I do have to agree. But curly horses are never known for their beautiful hair : ) Some have no hair at all, some have hair that is lost in the summer only. The legal department of this site is looking at suneedee right now as she took these photos and misrepresented not only our horse (which she new was not in great shape at all when we got him) but us.
Very sad.
But unless you completely body clip them, curly horses are..well..can be..very ugly. You can have smooth coat (no curls at all) to many types of "Extremes" which shed their mane and tails fully and in summer have no hair on their tails at all. You have to be able to look past the color and coat and see the frame of the horse. As to her comment, Carrie knows he came from one of the first and oldest Canadian Breeding farms of Curly horses in Canada. His grand dam, a Grulla,(Smoky Grulla, meaning she is a Black horse with both the Dun and cream genes) was bred by the first and oldest Curly breeding farm in Nevada. The sire of this stallion got the grey gene from his grey sire so the dun was hidden and so was the cream as he was a smoky black before greying out.
Open forums are great in a way but can and do set people up for slander and liable when they talk about things they do not know but are just gossipping.
Ben`s sire was sold before he produced many offspring (6) and went to Germany. Ben is the only one of his breeding left in North America. He has been color tested, does carry the dun and cream gene, but more importantly he is producing foals, on the larger size, due to his 1/8 Draft blood to fit the needs of people who want a large horse and who also do harness, but have problems due to allergies.
We are used to many different breeds as I have been breeding and training since 1984.. I don`t count years at home where we used horses for farm work.
One thing time and experience has taught me is people will and don`t always have to agree with you. What a boring world it would be! But people should respect other peoples opinions unless it is inflammatory. If one is used to the refined Arabian or TB of course they will not like a more draftier horse. I have judged animals since the late 1980`s as well. Placing Mules over Light breeds as I could tell which showed the best type for what ever "breed" they where.
As I stated in my first post. People should not comment on things they have no facts to back with. Nor should they say things like what has been said just to make themselves look better.
As to being a color breeder, that is another thing I have learnt over the years. Why settle for some thing you do not want? If you bought a car don`t you want it the color you want? It took over 5 years for find our Iberian stallions with the pedigrees, conformation AND color we wanted. Yes there are a LOT that are just that.."Color" (some way cheaper and some more expensive) but we over looked them. Proof is what we produce and what they do.
I think the one thing that up set people like Carrie is that so many people wanted to know where this stallion was. Then out of the blue I was contacted and was given the chance to have him as we do still use our heavy horses. But we do PREACH that regardless of Breed, a horse MUST have Conformation, Temperament, Work Ability and those be equal. Everything else, like color, is secondary. Would we of taken Ben if he was Black (I hate the color black sorry, yet I have many of them) or chestnut? Of course.
Dang you should see the conformation on our other Curly stallion! LOL Depending on the mare, he can produce the odd well conformed foal and he is rated as "one of the best" in the Curly breed. Yes we test mated him on 4 of our mares to prove how strong our mare and their sire lines are. The first one was just born on the 13. Thankfully the dam really corrected the conformation. That stallion was used for for 18 years siring foals ONLY for the coat type and the very high $$$$$$ they brought due to the "Coat type,"
And again the photos where stolen (please educate yourselves on copy right law) and are not used nor used to show his conformation only the joy he now has running in a pasture with other horses, being, well, a horse. Also for his first 14 years of life he was never trained nor handled nor near any horse unless breeding. Now he is being trained unsaddle and has great drive and extention and does help with harness work.
Oh I forgot to add. With single dilutes like Palomino, it is extremely hard to see the dun factor due to the cream gene diluting the body color of the dorsal and leg barring. Not to mention his body curl : ) And to the other person..stallion material? if he was a Morgan, Arabian, TB of course not! LOL. Not all horses are built the same. You have to educate your self on different body types. As a Draft type (and yes our Belgian mares are the "same shade" and they are chestnut with the typical "Blonde" mane and tail) he is very much stallion quality.

Sereena

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