horspoor wrote:
Getting them worn out on a lunge before you ride is not the answer. You just get a fitter and fitter naughty horse. Teach them something while lunging. Submission is a good thing. You don't have to be mean, but you do have to be clear, and serious.

I don't know if this was directed towards my post but I do not recommend lunging the crap out of a horse to get them tired before riding. I recommed lunging them with side reins to make them work, focus, and become supple. I do this with all my young horses before I hop on so they are already in "work" mode and yes, it does take the edge off. I would never advocate just wearing a horse out so you can ride. Lunging can be a very helpful tool if used correctly.