TrickRoperDeluxe wrote:
Fetlock Up wrote:
TrickRoperDeluxe wrote:
Have you ever used a chain bit?
They are quite possibly one of the kindest bits out there. The chain conforms to the horses mouth , its really not that harsh.
Are you high? Chain bits are NASTY! People use chain bits when they want an extra amount of bite. Chain bits are very capable of cutting up a horse's lips and bars. The ONLY cut tongues I have ever seen have been from chain bits. I would NEVER use a chain bit and there is no possible way they can be considered kind.

Have you ever used on?
I used to feel the same way until I kept hitting wall after wall with my Arab gelding. Bought one , tried to hurt my arm with it an couldnt.
In order to be able to actually cut up a mouth they would have to have sharp edges or some sort of distortion to them (like a twisted wire does)
They are kind because they conform to the mouth , the only thing not great about them is they kinda hang vs. setting up on the bars of the mouth.

Something sounds a bit fishy if your arab was really bad undersaddle and suddenly you shove a chain bit in his mouth and he's perfect? Chances are it was so harsh that yes, it definately prevented him from acting up. If that's the shortcut of training you wanted to take, who am I to stop you? That's your choice, your horse.

And I disagree with your statement that the bit would have to be sharp or distorted to cause injury. Long before I owned my gelding, when he was roughly a year and a half, the barn owner had the bright idea to lunge him. Since he was headstrong she threw a liver pool driving bit on him.
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And then aggressively lunged him for 20 minutes. I arrived at that time, saw what the hell she was doing, came up with an excuse and offered to untack him and take him inside for her. Once alone in the barn, I carefully took that bit off and his mouth was bloody. Thankfully no teeth had been broken, but his bars were rubbed raw, his mouth was sore and from then on he'd panic and freak out if he so much as saw a bridle.
OK, rambled alittle there but my point was - his mouth got bloody off a "simple" straight bar, so I don't need a creative imagination to figure out the chain issue.

Maybe you should run a thin chain over your tongue for an hour, then come back and tell us it's not cut or even sore.

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