WhoKilledBambi wrote:
barrelracer89 wrote:
WhoKilledBambi wrote:
barrelracer89 wrote:
WhoKilledBambi wrote:
barrelracer89 wrote:
xxthephoenix89xx wrote:
You still need to respect and acknowledge your countries past, no matter how sick and nasty you think it is. You don't agree with states, fine. Do you agree with the rest? No? Fine. YOU STILL HAVE TO STAND. You don't have to recite it, but you have to stand.

My generation has lost all respect for this country, and it makes me sick. At my college football games, I feel like kicking people who don't stand for the National Anthem in the head. You are at college, living a better life than the majority of the world, and you can't stand and respect that? Grrrr....

QFT.
I really fail to see why this is an issue.

Because the founding of our country should be a proud moment for all US citizens. It was an amazing moment in history. And I also feel the need to honor the people who have given their lives to protect my country so that I can sit here on the FiSH forums and have political discussions.

America hardly came into it's own as a strong country on the world stage until the very early 1900s.
I don't understand how Americans can be proud of their bloody revolution against a ruling power, and abhor the thought of another.

The strength of the nation isn't the point. And besides, America made her point in the war of 1812: "Stop fucking with us, because we are legitimate". The founding of a nation based primarily on the words of great men is what makes the nation great. And most revolutions are bloody.

The Bolshevik revolution wasn't bloody.
So the Bolsheviks saying "stop fucking with us, because we are legitimate" or the hard left of america saying "stop fucking with us, because we are legitimate" is totally different?
Because even if you don't agree with the (and I do not), Lenin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev and the rest of them (yes, including Stalin, although he was pretty much useless at the time) were great men. Just a different kind of greatness.

I said most. A revolution doesn't have to be bloody to be legitimate (see: India). That's why I threw the qualifier in there. And 60 people did die in the Bolshevik revolution...not a huge number, but still.