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GasMenagerie wrote: My friend rides a Warlander... that Fresian and ...???(I forget) Anyway, it looks purrrrty... but there is a pure bred Fresian at the same barn that is amazing and I'm like, why mess with that?
Oct 29 08 1:17 PM
Swinghorse wrote: GasMenagerie wrote: My friend rides a Warlander... that Fresian and ...???(I forget) Anyway, it looks purrrrty... but there is a pure bred Fresian at the same barn that is amazing and I'm like, why mess with that? Its a friesian/andalusian cross.
Oct 29 08 1:34 PM
GasMenagerie wrote: Swinghorse wrote: GasMenagerie wrote: My friend rides a Warlander... that Fresian and ...???(I forget) Anyway, it looks purrrrty... but there is a pure bred Fresian at the same barn that is amazing and I'm like, why mess with that? Its a friesian/andalusian cross. Thank you! (Old-timers, dontcha know?) She is a very sweet horse, as is the Fresian. They are so big, I felt sooo teeny tiny up on her. I was just riding bareback and I was glad for my inherited flexibility to be able to straddle her!
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Samantha wrote: I'm in SoCal too, and I've noticed the increasing number of Fresian crosses, too. I think a good portion of them are from the same breeder (the contact numbers are the same). The ones I'm thinking of are the ones that pretty much all say something to the effect of "Your Dream Horse! No papers..."
Oct 29 08 4:45 PM
coveryoureyes wrote: I must admit, I'd love to see a really high end Friesian/Arab.
Oct 29 08 6:33 PM
Swinghorse wrote: coveryoureyes wrote: I must admit, I'd love to see a really high end Friesian/Arab. Ok, so they are technically only 1/4 friesian...but Nico is my all time favorite friesian cross.
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Oct 29 08 11:46 PM
HorseTrouble wrote: Samantha wrote: I'm in SoCal too, and I've noticed the increasing number of Fresian crosses, too. I think a good portion of them are from the same breeder (the contact numbers are the same). The ones I'm thinking of are the ones that pretty much all say something to the effect of "Your Dream Horse! No papers..." 818 area code, right? Yeah. *Rolls eyes* She's got a lot of youngstock - I think the oldest one I saw was 6 maybe? And I think I remember seeing some PMU-grade perch mares in the background of one photo awhile back; my guess is that she came by a cheap stud and is putting them to her perch mares.
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Oct 30 08 5:43 AM
Swinghorse wrote: A few friends own crossbreds and we do not take this issue personally, however, we do take it seriously and have an opinion. For starters we believe cross breeders and pure breeders live in different worlds and look at things from very different view points. It basically is a difference between breeding for the short-term (if you're lucky enough to get a nice cross by rolling the dice) and breeding for the long term with proper tools. Why? Because people can, are curious, and it makes money. In breeding, nothing is more important than knowledge and a long-term vision. So why not? I do not subscribe to crossbreeding for various reasons. The Friesian gene is recessive, which makes it unlikely that the crossbred foal will have the desired Friesian traits. Many examples abound and can easily be found on the internet. Crossbreeding is random at best due to the Friesian's recessive gene, with many specimen you wonder what you are looking at, it does not reflect well on the Friesian parent (often from conformation flaws or non-matching features from the non-Friesian parent), and it confuses the public. We already have too many haphazardly bred horses in the world and don't need any more. If a Friesian is what you want you will not be satisfied with a crossbred and you are better off putting the money towards a purebred right from the start. Someone with a Friesian/..... cross once said that those are their two favorite breeds and that was the reason for the cross purchase; the horse is neither. Moreover, if breeding is your objective you need to start with quality, purebred material and not a crossbred of which the offspring will be even more random not to mention that if a different look or quality is appealing then why not switch to a different breed. After all, isn't that why we have breeds. We believe that crossbreeding devalues a breed and recognizing them within a pure registry devalues that registry by clouding the waters. Check for examples with other breeds. Most crosses are created with irresponsible breeding based on guesswork and not stats and breeding policies & goals. If you take a close look at the average crossbreeding website and know what you're looking at you they do not do any of the breeds justice. Taking pride in a breed and setting the bar high is important. Someone said to look at the crosses' personalities and how wonderfully Friesian they are. That still does not take away any of my arguments and by properly breeding in the first place you can breed for temperament. Personally I would never want my name or my colt's name on a crossbred or improperly bred Friesian. We have been involved with the Friesians for a long time and by experiencing the Friesian from this early, precarious stage we admit to being prone to promoting and defending the purebred Dutch Friesian. We realize there is a market for crossbreeding because a Friesian is not in everyone's (immediate) reach (we too have had to work very hard and sacrifice to have my horses), it's human nature to experiment, and a stallion makes for good business (read: money) in our free market, however, we wish the crossbreeders--breeders with non-KFPS approved stallions--would not ride on the KFPS/FHANA Friesians' coattails by using misleading information, calling everything "registered" without explanation, calling the horse a Friesian cross or Friesian derivative again profiting from the name "Friesian," and boasting about the Friesian's history without honoring it. I believe in a free market and anyone has the right to breed (after all, who can blame someone for taking in a stud fee if someone else wants to take a shortcut or gamble, it takes a lot to be able to refuse that money) but we also believe in my freedom of speech as well as in education; to inform people without misleading information. There is a responsibility to educate and realize that the very reason we have beautiful Friesians to enjoy is by properly managing the breed. Examples of bad management of breeds abound. All of this in all actuality is another case for why to go purebred: the Friesian is unequaled in its type and there is no substitute or shortcut. I would like to repeat that I do not take this personally, I love all horses, and get along with people of all opinions, however, I stand by what I have set out here and am adamant about breeding within the KFPS registry according to their rules and regs.
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Oct 30 08 6:00 AM
The popularity of some Friesian crosses has become so specialized that they've now even got their own registry, structured a lot like the Wbld registries, with strict breeding guidelines, etc. They aren't looking to breed cheap Friesians, they are breeding Friesian Sporthorses and with what looks like a lot of thought into their breeding programs. Nico's farm is a great example. River Oaks Farm is another, and so is Sacony Creek. The popularity of purebred Friesians led to people trying to breed cheaper versions of Friesians, and the same thing has happened to Friesian Sporthorses. Some people see a Friesian Sporthorse like Nico or some of the other FS's doing very well in competion, and suddenly they think they can cross any Friesian to a herd full of mares and cash in on the popularity of the FS. Friesian Sporthorse breeders are probably all just as frustrated at the people breeding cheap FS's as the purebred breeders are when people breed cheap purebreds. This explains some things: http://www.friesiansporth...ianSporthorseHistory.html Here's a part from that page: "The interest in crossbreeding Friesians in the United States has increased dramatically in the last decade. Some people chose the Friesian for crossbreeding primarily for their kind temperaments, crossbreeding primarily for pets, trail horses, etc. Others chose to take the qualities of the Friesian, and crossbreed specifically for a Friesian crossbred more suited for sport, leading to the development of Friesian Sporthorses and the Friesian Sporthorse Association.
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