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Apr 4 08 10:01 AM
ohforcryingoutloud wrote: And I'd be leery that they haven't had a winner of merit in the U.S. since 1999... that's almost 10 years. Looks like they're showing in Cowboy Mounted Shooting now, instead of reining. That's a pretty big difference in quality of animals IMHO. Know what? I think someone should take De Renzo and cross him on an HD Royalty daughter or a linebred Skipper W mare. That's just what I think.
I thnk someone should take that same HD Royalty daughter or linebred SW mare and breed it to De Renzo's SIRE and then call THAT an outcross and breed it to the 2039482093482 Impressive bred halter horse broodmares!!
And I'm NOT an Impressive hater, I just don't see how anyone can say he isn't a little overrepresented in the pedigree's of todays halter horses.
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Apr 4 08 10:02 AM
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Apr 4 08 10:05 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: "He's using brothers and sons of those NRHA reining horses as foundation stock." Oh, forgive me if I wasn't aware that there were grade (non AQHA) horses winning at NRHA at that level. Sorry about that.
*Sigh* They are AQHA.
Apr 4 08 10:09 AM
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Apr 4 08 10:14 AM
See N Spots wrote: vixen of doom wrote: Not breeding out Appy Characteristics? Then tell me what about this horse makes it distinct from a Quarter Horse without mentioning anything to do with coloring. Well first of all, who is this horse and lets look at his pedigree before we blame everything you don't like on breeding we know nothing about.
vixen of doom wrote: Not breeding out Appy Characteristics? Then tell me what about this horse makes it distinct from a Quarter Horse without mentioning anything to do with coloring. Well first of all, who is this horse and lets look at his pedigree before we blame everything you don't like on breeding we know nothing about.
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: "They are AQHA." Oh, I thought you were talking about those Cavalier horses...are they AQHA? You brought up a new breed/registry when talking about their success with reiners. Why is a new breed other than AQHA needed? I think AQHA horses dominate NRHA at this time?
Tommy has already proven his point in reining- he's established success and a mastery of breeding horses in that arena. From what I've been told, he's no longer interested in the AQHA reining competitions. His Cavaliers are not being bred for that discipline. His interests lie in other areas now.
Apr 4 08 10:16 AM
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Apr 4 08 10:22 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: "Ummmm... actually they were working horses that the cowboys used and then raced for fun when they went to town. They got their name for their ability to run a quarter mile... but they were working horses first an foremost........." Only in modern times. LMAO. Does CAQRH ring a bell with you?
The quarter horse can trace its origin back to the 1600's. They were originally native horses (mostly Spanish stock ) that were crossed on imported English horses of mainly Arabian Barb and Turk lines. The resulting crosses were compact horses with heavily muscled hind quarters which were used to plow, pull wagons, ride, etc. This was when their great versatility started. After doing chores all day, the owners would take their horses into town for friendly races. They chose the quarter of a mile as the distance. The fastest horses at that distance were the ones that got bred more often thus vreating a versatile horse that could sprint extremely fast for a short distance. As people moved West, they brought their cattle and horses with them. This was when they discovered that these early horses showed interest in cows and herding them.
Apr 4 08 10:25 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: WDW, that makes more sense. You had me baffled there for a minute...
'Saright, I get that a lot.
By the way, you have a private message.
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Apr 4 08 10:29 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: "FTF, the quarter horse was never just a race horse." You are wrong. Please dedicate some time reading the history books regarding this. They were race horses exclusively in the beginning. You have to go back a bit beyond your time and your parents/grandparents' time to find this out.
You need to go back a bit further to find the introduction of the english horses to what?? to make the Quarter Horse. It did NOT just start with the english horses. Go research it.
Apr 4 08 10:31 AM
Tell It Like It Is wrote: forthefutureofthebreed wrote: "Ummmm... actually they were working horses that the cowboys used and then raced for fun when they went to town. They got their name for their ability to run a quarter mile... but they were working horses first an foremost........." Only in modern times. LMAO. Does CAQRH ring a bell with you? The quarter horse can trace its origin back to the 1600's. They were originally native horses (mostly Spanish stock ) that were crossed on imported English horses of mainly Arabian Barb and Turk lines. The resulting crosses were compact horses with heavily muscled hind quarters which were used to plow, pull wagons, ride, etc. This was when their great versatility started. After doing chores all day, the owners would take their horses into town for friendly races. They chose the quarter of a mile as the distance. The fastest horses at that distance were the ones that got bred more often thus creating a versatile horse that could sprint extremely fast for a short distance. As people moved West, they brought their cattle and horses with them. This was when they discovered that these early horses showed interest in cows and herding them. It wasn't until 1940 that the American Quarter Horse became a breed. A group of people got together because they wanted to preserve their horses bloodlines without having any more outcrossing done. The first 20 spots in the newly formed AQHA were dedicated to what they felt the foundation horses were. The first spot was awarded to Wimpy in 1941. The following 18 were horses voted on over the next few years. The 20th spot was for a chosen stallion of the President of AQHA. The members tried to only allow those horses that were of the bull dog type that were stocky, very muscular and low to the ground over the long, leggy TB type. Do you want me to continue with the history or have I gone far enough? I'm pretty sure you can't go back any further than the 1600's for the history of the AQHA.
The quarter horse can trace its origin back to the 1600's. They were originally native horses (mostly Spanish stock ) that were crossed on imported English horses of mainly Arabian Barb and Turk lines. The resulting crosses were compact horses with heavily muscled hind quarters which were used to plow, pull wagons, ride, etc. This was when their great versatility started. After doing chores all day, the owners would take their horses into town for friendly races. They chose the quarter of a mile as the distance. The fastest horses at that distance were the ones that got bred more often thus creating a versatile horse that could sprint extremely fast for a short distance. As people moved West, they brought their cattle and horses with them. This was when they discovered that these early horses showed interest in cows and herding them.
Apr 4 08 10:35 AM
Here is a great site that goes all the way back to 1492 when Columbus brought the first horses to this continent. It goes through the entire history. http://www.appaloosa-crossing.com/historyQH.htm
Apr 4 08 10:49 AM
Apr 4 08 10:54 AM
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Apr 4 08 10:55 AM
vixen of doom wrote:
Apr 4 08 10:57 AM
vixen of doom wrote: This one is half appaloosa Zips Dark Chocolate (The Miracle Chip x Zip Around Rosie)
Apr 4 08 10:58 AM
vixen of doom wrote: And this one is half appaloosa Gay Bars Silver (Gay Bars Jess x Silver Roxie) Those are all very modern Appaloosas. So tell me what about this horse makes it distinct from a Quarter Horse without mentioning anything to do with coloring. Or do I need to find more examples that show Appaloosas are turning into spotted Quarter Horses?
Apr 4 08 11:14 AM
vixen of doom wrote: Here are a couple of foundation bred appaloosas to compare with your not so desirable half app. One of them actually looks like a quarterhorse....isn't that interesting?
Here are a couple of foundation bred appaloosas to compare with your not so desirable half app. One of them actually looks like a quarterhorse....isn't that interesting?
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