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Apr 4 08 11:21 AM
See N Spots wrote: vixen of doom wrote: Well the first app is 3/4 appaloosa - not a ton of QH influence there. I guess with your way of thinking, we should just get rid of everything but the arabs because every other horse is an cross from them. So we have really just insulted the arabian horse registry and it all went down hill from there.
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Apr 4 08 11:25 AM
See N Spots wrote: vixen of doom wrote: Here are a couple of foundation bred appaloosas to compare with your not so desirable half app. One of them actually looks like a quarterhorse....isn't that interesting? They probably have Quarter Horse blood in them. Did you ever look at what was defined as an Appaloosa in the beginning? Practically anything with spots, which is why I'm all for breeding for type rather than foundation bloodlines. I'm all for breeding for a horse that would be able to do the job it was intended to do, and the style of eye-appeal that they were originally bred for, rather than the names on the pedigree.
vixen of doom wrote: Here are a couple of foundation bred appaloosas to compare with your not so desirable half app. One of them actually looks like a quarterhorse....isn't that interesting?
Here are a couple of foundation bred appaloosas to compare with your not so desirable half app. One of them actually looks like a quarterhorse....isn't that interesting?
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Apr 4 08 11:31 AM
vixen of doom wrote: And look at them. Look at the Phenotype of those horses. This is a foundation appaloosa. If I couldn't see the spots on the neck and mottled skin on the nose, I would think it was a QH. My point is that it doesn't necessarily take a crossing to get that type conformation. I'm going to assume you couldn't find anything about them that separates them from being Quarter Horses (ignoring color)? I don't have to because it isn't just that your looking at a spotted quarterhorse - you're looking at an appaloosa that has good conformation. Good conformation is good conformation.....period - no matter the discipline. If you like this type of app... more power to you and you have every right to go out and by one. And which type app do you suppose ends up being abandoned or sent off to slaughter because there is no market for them?? I think your opinion of bettering the breed and mine are different. If I owned this little frappy foundation app mare, by gosh you bet I'd cross her with something else.
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Apr 4 08 12:00 PM
Apr 4 08 12:01 PM
GotCow wrote: See N Spots, do you think WP classes are a measure for a horse's ability to run a quarter mile faster than any other breed? No but then again neither are cutting horses do you honestly believe WP horses can be racing horses ? No, and again neither can cutting horses Again, I'm not asking for the elimination of WP or any other rail class. I'm just saying they can't measure a horse's real physical potential because they're not very demanding (physically). You're either generalizing or you are expecting every horse to be of some certain type in order to be considered an athlete. There are certain physical body types for someone to be a successful athlete in basketball. There are certain physical body types for someone to be a successful athlete in gymnastics. I could go on and on. Is the football player body type the only true athlete? Or perhaps the baseball player? Studies have shown that ballet and gymnastics are actually the most demanding on physical fitness and athleticism. But their movements are more graceful and rythmic than a 200 pound football player. I think the issue I have with your stand is that you only believe your type horse is a true athlete and that only your type horse is agile and can perform under physically demanding scenarios. My stand is that each is an athlete in his own discipline. Each can perform better at some things and not so good at others.
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Apr 4 08 12:03 PM
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vixen of doom wrote: Good Conformation =/= Looks like a Quarter Horse. (Unless it's a Quarter Horse or a Paint that is) Here, some examples of Appaloosas that were bred to look like Appaloosas. In your opinion Some are Foundation, some are not. Some are reg. with the ApSHA some are reg with the ApHC. The Appy Sport Horses may not be 100% Appy, but they have better type than a lot of the Quarterloosas reg. with the ApHC In your opinion. They don't look like Quarter Horses, and they are far from being fugly little horses you seem to think I'm talking about. When I say 'original type' I'm NOT talking about what was defined as 'foundation' in the 40's, I'm talking further back than that. And considering How many Quarter Horses, Paints, and Grade Quarter Horses are sent to slaughter, I'd say horses that look like the ones above are no more likely to be sent to slaughter than a well put together Quarter Horse.
Apr 4 08 12:13 PM
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Apr 4 08 12:16 PM
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Apr 4 08 12:18 PM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: The Quarter Horse didn't suddenly "become a breed" just because AQHA decided to start registering them and recording their pedigrees. But that's beside the point... I am not unaware of the non-TB contribution to the QH as a type. The TB is the largest contributor of influence to the QH, though. And, since AQHA, it has been the only acceptable outcross. Only recently have people acquired this mindset that the TB is no longer needed. And look what we have now...
Apr 4 08 12:21 PM
See N Spots wrote: Good Conformation =/= Looks like a Quarter Horse. (Unless it's a Quarter Horse or a Paint that is) Good conformation includes proper balance and mass, structural correctness and skeletal structure that promotes lasting soundness. It has nothing to do with quarterhorses. There is not a lot of difference between these two horses at least IMHO not enough to poopoo on injecting a little different blood sometimes. You can do just as much harm to a gene pool by never introducing new dna into it.
Good Conformation =/= Looks like a Quarter Horse. (Unless it's a Quarter Horse or a Paint that is) Good conformation includes proper balance and mass, structural correctness and skeletal structure that promotes lasting soundness. It has nothing to do with quarterhorses. There is not a lot of difference between these two horses at least IMHO not enough to poopoo on injecting a little different blood sometimes. You can do just as much harm to a gene pool by never introducing new dna into it.
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Apr 4 08 12:23 PM
ThreeCorners wrote: " And look what we have now". Well you know what....the cow horse may be a horse YOU dont care for, but it is a horse I happen to care for!! So am I wrong to like a horse that can do that? NOPE!! I am nor more wrong then you are by liking a horse that only looks a certain way. I dont say your non performers are the demise of a breed, so dont even begine to tell me my performers are the demise of the breed. You like a certain type of horse, YAY for you. I happen to have a different set of must haves at the top of my list. No one is picking on cow horses. This hole post began with discussing a new look appearing in the halter type horses. A few "cow" people got into the discussion and poopood all over anything that didn't chase moomoos. All anyone is saying, is that there are issues going on in every discipline - not just halter.
" And look what we have now". Well you know what....the cow horse may be a horse YOU dont care for, but it is a horse I happen to care for!! So am I wrong to like a horse that can do that? NOPE!! I am nor more wrong then you are by liking a horse that only looks a certain way. I dont say your non performers are the demise of a breed, so dont even begine to tell me my performers are the demise of the breed. You like a certain type of horse, YAY for you. I happen to have a different set of must haves at the top of my list. No one is picking on cow horses. This hole post began with discussing a new look appearing in the halter type horses. A few "cow" people got into the discussion and poopood all over anything that didn't chase moomoos. All anyone is saying, is that there are issues going on in every discipline - not just halter.
Apr 4 08 12:24 PM
No but then again neither are cutting horses
Apr 4 08 12:27 PM
GotCow wrote: No but then again neither are cutting horses Yeah, but cutters can turn on a dime, can be quick, can stop very hard from a full gallop. That's why cutters who don't have that much cow sense can become ropers, reiners, penners and reined cow horses. What can a WP horse do outside of its own discipline? Again, I'm not dismissing specialization (like FTFOTB does), I am just trying to say that the more demanding the discipline the more aware you can be about a horse's different abilities.
Apr 4 08 12:28 PM
Apr 4 08 12:32 PM
GotCow wrote: See N Spots, you keep using ballet as the human equivalent of Western Pleasure and I just can't agree. I think ballet demands a lot more from the human body than WP demands from a horse's body.
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