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KizmetRanch wrote: I don't think that stallion is going to help your mare's back or loin.
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Jun 30 09 8:58 AM
NancyL wrote: I agree with AllieBaba on this one. The mare's head is too long and plain with a smallish eye set too high in the head. Her neck is looks a little short and thick in the throat in some of the pictures and not in others, so who knows. Shoulder is kinda straight. She's light in the rear end. Her croup is short and her tailset is low. She's light boned and looks like she may be close in the hocks. The stallion has a short thick neck and he's not going to help her shoulder at all. He may improve the hindquarter. He likely will not help on bone. I'd like to know the breeding on both so as to know what's behind them pedigree wise. You never know what's lurking back there that my jump out and get you.
Jun 30 09 9:02 AM
Trixina wrote: I agree with Kizmet, as usual. Your mare is light in bone, in body, weak in the back and loin. The stallion looks to have a bit more bone in his legs, but is light in the body and weak in the back and loin. What made you select this stallion, and what are your plans for the foal?
Jun 30 09 9:05 AM
apocalypsepony wrote: I don't think there is anything wrong with her back. She may or may not be a little long in the loin, though it looks like it's plenty strong. She is a straight shouldered and a little short in the croup. I don't think she is light in "bone", but I think she is lacking in fitness and the lack of muscling in her forearms and gaskins gives her a "big body on toothpick legs" look. She doesn't have the longest neck in the world either and it is a bit straight, but again with better fitness I think it would be more shapely. She has an attractive, though not particularly fancy or typey, head and a pretty eye. I think, given that I think her shoulder is her biggest weakness that the stallion is a pretty good choice. Would it be possible to post their registered names or maybe a link to their pedigrees?
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Jun 30 09 9:38 AM
Rumonek wrote: NancyL wrote: I agree with AllieBaba on this one. The mare's head is too long and plain with a smallish eye set too high in the head. Her neck is looks a little short and thick in the throat in some of the pictures and not in others, so who knows. Shoulder is kinda straight. She's light in the rear end. Her croup is short and her tailset is low. She's light boned and looks like she may be close in the hocks. The stallion has a short thick neck and he's not going to help her shoulder at all. He may improve the hindquarter. He likely will not help on bone. I'd like to know the breeding on both so as to know what's behind them pedigree wise. You never know what's lurking back there that my jump out and get you. Her head is not long by any stretch. It's not extreme, but I've found now that many more people prefer her head over my SE's who is VERY extreme. I like having a variety so I can have something to offer for "everybody". I would prefer a little more dish, but she is wide between the eyes with a classic wedge-shaped head. I don't see her being light in her rear end either- she has a huge hind end. Her tailset is NOT low: You need to keep in mind too with the stallion that he is 18 years old in the photos, out of work, and only being used for breeding. He has a nice shoulder, and I would be happy with my mare's shoulder. I don't want "help" on bone- if anything I want her lightened up in bone because she is THICK. What do you mean by "lurking" ? I dont argue with a critique very often, and it's so annoying when people do, but I really disagree with this one. For other critiques- please keep in mind this horse is not in work and hasn't been her whole life. Also remember that she's bred to race, not to be a halter horse, so she is not going to have the tabletop back with the super long loin and croup. Tailset that is not low at all: How anyone can say this mare is light in bone is far beyond me. I hope I can lighten her up if anything. This is a 3 year old horse who hasn't been worked a day in her life. Look at that bumm!
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Rumonek wrote: Nope, the photos arent photoshopped.
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Rumonek wrote: apocalypsepony wrote: I don't think there is anything wrong with her back. She may or may not be a little long in the loin, though it looks like it's plenty strong. She is a straight shouldered and a little short in the croup. I don't think she is light in "bone", but I think she is lacking in fitness and the lack of muscling in her forearms and gaskins gives her a "big body on toothpick legs" look. She doesn't have the longest neck in the world either and it is a bit straight, but again with better fitness I think it would be more shapely. She has an attractive, though not particularly fancy or typey, head and a pretty eye. I think, given that I think her shoulder is her biggest weakness that the stallion is a pretty good choice. Would it be possible to post their registered names or maybe a link to their pedigrees? You are exactly right. She was bred to race, but her breeders just got too old and she was never started- she has not really WORKED a day in her life. I posted the pedigrees above- take a look
Jun 30 09 6:32 PM
NancyL wrote: I looked at the mare's pedigree. I'd say her dam was bred to race. This mare, not so much. There's not a lot of racing blood in the sire line. The mare's face IS cute in profile. If you're planning on main ring halter, I don't think you're going to get it with this cross. Sport horse is a different story. There's just not enough pretty in the front there on either side and that's still what wins n MR. Even with the scorecard. El Norus is one of the few SE stallions out there whose pedigree is primarily horses who were bred to use rather than the poodle on a string we see so many of. His sire line is Gharib, who was an athletic sucker but damn plain. He has Dalul in his pedigree so don't hold your breath on the ears. Dalul's were far from dainty, but at least they didn't flop like *Refky's. Edited for ear thing.
Jun 30 09 6:34 PM
apocalypsepony wrote: Rumonek wrote: apocalypsepony wrote: I don't think there is anything wrong with her back. She may or may not be a little long in the loin, though it looks like it's plenty strong. She is a straight shouldered and a little short in the croup. I don't think she is light in "bone", but I think she is lacking in fitness and the lack of muscling in her forearms and gaskins gives her a "big body on toothpick legs" look. She doesn't have the longest neck in the world either and it is a bit straight, but again with better fitness I think it would be more shapely. She has an attractive, though not particularly fancy or typey, head and a pretty eye. I think, given that I think her shoulder is her biggest weakness that the stallion is a pretty good choice. Would it be possible to post their registered names or maybe a link to their pedigrees? You are exactly right. She was bred to race, but her breeders just got too old and she was never started- she has not really WORKED a day in her life. I posted the pedigrees above- take a look Well, now I will admit that I don't know much at all about Egyptian Arab pedigrees. Had they been Polish, Domestic or Russian I would have been able to say if the cross makes sense on paper. But I've never been much 'into' Egyptian Arabians and am at a loss when looking at Egyptian/Egyptian-related pedigrees. I only recognize names that are "big" from way back. Someone with more knowledge of Egyptian and Egyptian related pedigrees will have to tell you about her breeding, I don't recognize anything much there except the "Big Names" and they are so far back as to be not worth talking much about. Even if your mare is light in bone (which I really think is a matter of personal opinion in her case), I don't see that the stallion is, so he's still a decent choice. She might be a little long between her eye and her nostril, but then again I think Marwan Al Shaqab is too (I think he's really long there but I'm old fashioned ), so obviously that's a matter of personal preference too, and not such a hard and fast fault. I think given your mare's short-comings (and they all have them) the stallion seems a good choice. This opinion is based solely on phenotype, leaving out pedigrees and what you might predict from them.
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