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Sep 23 09 10:23 PM
PonehWarrior wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: The American Revolution helped pave way to the French Revolution. Governments can't do whatever the hell they want to their people. It was a huge deal. And the English came first. And there were many more beforehand. The point being that if the American Revolution was such a good thing, that rising up against British oppression was noble and just, why isn't strong political action against the [perceived] injustice showed by the government of the United States wrong? And the Dutch revolted against the Spanish, etc etc. Still, it was a huge deal. A bunch of colonies inspiring a country as big as France to throw out their king is a huge deal. You can dislike your government without dishonoring your country.
WhoKilledBambi wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: The American Revolution helped pave way to the French Revolution. Governments can't do whatever the hell they want to their people. It was a huge deal. And the English came first. And there were many more beforehand. The point being that if the American Revolution was such a good thing, that rising up against British oppression was noble and just, why isn't strong political action against the [perceived] injustice showed by the government of the United States wrong?
PonehWarrior wrote: The American Revolution helped pave way to the French Revolution. Governments can't do whatever the hell they want to their people. It was a huge deal.
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Sep 23 09 10:24 PM
Sep 23 09 10:25 PM
barrelracer89 wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: The American Revolution helped pave way to the French Revolution. Governments can't do whatever the hell they want to their people. It was a huge deal. And the English came first. And there were many more beforehand. The point being that if the American Revolution was such a good thing, that rising up against British oppression was noble and just, why isn't strong political action against the [perceived] injustice showed by the government of the United States wrong? It's not wrong. It's not right either. What's right to one is wrong to another. *shrug*
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WhoKilledBambi wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: The American Revolution helped pave way to the French Revolution. Governments can't do whatever the hell they want to their people. It was a huge deal. And the English came first. And there were many more beforehand. The point being that if the American Revolution was such a good thing, that rising up against British oppression was noble and just, why isn't strong political action against the [perceived] injustice showed by the government of the United States wrong? And the Dutch revolted against the Spanish, etc etc. Still, it was a huge deal. A bunch of colonies inspiring a country as big as France to throw out their king is a huge deal. You can dislike your government without dishonoring your country. What if I dislike the fact that there is a nation? 'dishonouring' your country doesn't hurt anyone. It's not a big deal at ALL.
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Sep 23 09 10:26 PM
xxthephoenix89xx wrote: You're not even proud to be Canadian? Holy COW that's honestly SCARY to me! Where would you rather live? I can understand not agreeing with some of the policies, but not even proud to be called their own? WOW. About the revolts... were we supposed to just stay subjugated? Try to hug it out? Were we wrong in WWII for forcefully shutting Hitler down, or should we have just waited it out, and peacefully protested? Newmare- yeah, she made a stand, and I agree with you than an adult in a situation like hers can actually make a difference. But four or five third graders who won't stand for the Pledge because 'mommy and daddy said I didn't have to,' or a clump of college kids sitting for the national anthem because A) they're too 'cool' to stand and remove their hats, or B) they don't even know the damn song aren't making a lick of difference. Bambi, I already know we are going to have to agree to disagree, because I disagree with you on like... everything you've said in this thread. That's okay... but we aren't going to be able to come to a conclusion. lol
Sep 23 09 10:27 PM
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PonehWarrior wrote: Disliking your country is not the same as fighting against racism. Protests in against the war in Vietnam.
Sep 23 09 10:28 PM
PonehWarrior wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: The American Revolution helped pave way to the French Revolution. Governments can't do whatever the hell they want to their people. It was a huge deal. And the English came first. And there were many more beforehand. The point being that if the American Revolution was such a good thing, that rising up against British oppression was noble and just, why isn't strong political action against the [perceived] injustice showed by the government of the United States wrong? And the Dutch revolted against the Spanish, etc etc. Still, it was a huge deal. A bunch of colonies inspiring a country as big as France to throw out their king is a huge deal. You can dislike your government without dishonoring your country. What if I dislike the fact that there is a nation? 'dishonouring' your country doesn't hurt anyone. It's not a big deal at ALL. Then feel free to leave, its not like you live in North Korea. You live in a country that allows you to protest. Don't abuse that.
WhoKilledBambi wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: The American Revolution helped pave way to the French Revolution. Governments can't do whatever the hell they want to their people. It was a huge deal. And the English came first. And there were many more beforehand. The point being that if the American Revolution was such a good thing, that rising up against British oppression was noble and just, why isn't strong political action against the [perceived] injustice showed by the government of the United States wrong? It's not wrong. It's not right either. What's right to one is wrong to another. *shrug* Then why is it so wrong when people are very vocal about their beliefs, or when another country rises up against their metaphorical Britain?
Sep 23 09 10:29 PM
newmare wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: Disliking your country is not the same as fighting against racism. Protests in against the war in Vietnam. Its all about change. Its all about needing or wanting change. Wanting to change racism, wanting to change a country. Everything is about change.
Sep 23 09 10:30 PM
Sep 23 09 10:31 PM
PonehWarrior wrote: newmare wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: Disliking your country is not the same as fighting against racism. Protests in against the war in Vietnam. Its all about change. Its all about needing or wanting change. Wanting to change racism, wanting to change a country. Everything is about change. And you're hoping to change what exactly? You aren't going to get the support of others if people think you're being disrespectful.
Sep 23 09 10:32 PM
Sep 23 09 10:33 PM
WhoKilledBambi wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: newmare wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: Disliking your country is not the same as fighting against racism. Protests in against the war in Vietnam. Its all about change. Its all about needing or wanting change. Wanting to change racism, wanting to change a country. Everything is about change. And you're hoping to change what exactly? You aren't going to get the support of others if people think you're being disrespectful. if everyone was respectful, it would still be the middle ages.
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