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WhoKilledBambi wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: xxthephoenix89xx wrote: You still need to respect and acknowledge your countries past, no matter how sick and nasty you think it is. You don't agree with states, fine. Do you agree with the rest? No? Fine. YOU STILL HAVE TO STAND. You don't have to recite it, but you have to stand. My generation has lost all respect for this country, and it makes me sick. At my college football games, I feel like kicking people who don't stand for the National Anthem in the head. You are at college, living a better life than the majority of the world, and you can't stand and respect that? Grrrr.... QFT. I really fail to see why this is an issue. Because the founding of our country should be a proud moment for all US citizens. It was an amazing moment in history. And I also feel the need to honor the people who have given their lives to protect my country so that I can sit here on the FiSH forums and have political discussions. America hardly came into it's own as a strong country on the world stage until the very early 1900s. I don't understand how Americans can be proud of their bloody revolution against a ruling power, and abhor the thought of another. The strength of the nation isn't the point. And besides, America made her point in the war of 1812: "Stop fucking with us, because we are legitimate". The founding of a nation based primarily on the words of great men is what makes the nation great. And most revolutions are bloody. The Bolshevik revolution wasn't bloody. So the Bolsheviks saying "stop fucking with us, because we are legitimate" or the hard left of america saying "stop fucking with us, because we are legitimate" is totally different? Because even if you don't agree with the (and I do not), Lenin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev and the rest of them (yes, including Stalin, although he was pretty much useless at the time) were great men. Just a different kind of greatness.
barrelracer89 wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: xxthephoenix89xx wrote: You still need to respect and acknowledge your countries past, no matter how sick and nasty you think it is. You don't agree with states, fine. Do you agree with the rest? No? Fine. YOU STILL HAVE TO STAND. You don't have to recite it, but you have to stand. My generation has lost all respect for this country, and it makes me sick. At my college football games, I feel like kicking people who don't stand for the National Anthem in the head. You are at college, living a better life than the majority of the world, and you can't stand and respect that? Grrrr.... QFT. I really fail to see why this is an issue. Because the founding of our country should be a proud moment for all US citizens. It was an amazing moment in history. And I also feel the need to honor the people who have given their lives to protect my country so that I can sit here on the FiSH forums and have political discussions. America hardly came into it's own as a strong country on the world stage until the very early 1900s. I don't understand how Americans can be proud of their bloody revolution against a ruling power, and abhor the thought of another. The strength of the nation isn't the point. And besides, America made her point in the war of 1812: "Stop fucking with us, because we are legitimate". The founding of a nation based primarily on the words of great men is what makes the nation great. And most revolutions are bloody.
WhoKilledBambi wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: xxthephoenix89xx wrote: You still need to respect and acknowledge your countries past, no matter how sick and nasty you think it is. You don't agree with states, fine. Do you agree with the rest? No? Fine. YOU STILL HAVE TO STAND. You don't have to recite it, but you have to stand. My generation has lost all respect for this country, and it makes me sick. At my college football games, I feel like kicking people who don't stand for the National Anthem in the head. You are at college, living a better life than the majority of the world, and you can't stand and respect that? Grrrr.... QFT. I really fail to see why this is an issue. Because the founding of our country should be a proud moment for all US citizens. It was an amazing moment in history. And I also feel the need to honor the people who have given their lives to protect my country so that I can sit here on the FiSH forums and have political discussions. America hardly came into it's own as a strong country on the world stage until the very early 1900s. I don't understand how Americans can be proud of their bloody revolution against a ruling power, and abhor the thought of another.
barrelracer89 wrote: WhoKilledBambi wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: xxthephoenix89xx wrote: You still need to respect and acknowledge your countries past, no matter how sick and nasty you think it is. You don't agree with states, fine. Do you agree with the rest? No? Fine. YOU STILL HAVE TO STAND. You don't have to recite it, but you have to stand. My generation has lost all respect for this country, and it makes me sick. At my college football games, I feel like kicking people who don't stand for the National Anthem in the head. You are at college, living a better life than the majority of the world, and you can't stand and respect that? Grrrr.... QFT. I really fail to see why this is an issue. Because the founding of our country should be a proud moment for all US citizens. It was an amazing moment in history. And I also feel the need to honor the people who have given their lives to protect my country so that I can sit here on the FiSH forums and have political discussions.
WhoKilledBambi wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: xxthephoenix89xx wrote: You still need to respect and acknowledge your countries past, no matter how sick and nasty you think it is. You don't agree with states, fine. Do you agree with the rest? No? Fine. YOU STILL HAVE TO STAND. You don't have to recite it, but you have to stand. My generation has lost all respect for this country, and it makes me sick. At my college football games, I feel like kicking people who don't stand for the National Anthem in the head. You are at college, living a better life than the majority of the world, and you can't stand and respect that? Grrrr.... QFT. I really fail to see why this is an issue.
barrelracer89 wrote: xxthephoenix89xx wrote: You still need to respect and acknowledge your countries past, no matter how sick and nasty you think it is. You don't agree with states, fine. Do you agree with the rest? No? Fine. YOU STILL HAVE TO STAND. You don't have to recite it, but you have to stand. My generation has lost all respect for this country, and it makes me sick. At my college football games, I feel like kicking people who don't stand for the National Anthem in the head. You are at college, living a better life than the majority of the world, and you can't stand and respect that? Grrrr.... QFT.
xxthephoenix89xx wrote: You still need to respect and acknowledge your countries past, no matter how sick and nasty you think it is. You don't agree with states, fine. Do you agree with the rest? No? Fine. YOU STILL HAVE TO STAND. You don't have to recite it, but you have to stand. My generation has lost all respect for this country, and it makes me sick. At my college football games, I feel like kicking people who don't stand for the National Anthem in the head. You are at college, living a better life than the majority of the world, and you can't stand and respect that? Grrrr....
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PonehWarrior wrote: And you're hoping to change what exactly? You aren't going to get the support of others if people think you're being disrespectful.
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newmare wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: And you're hoping to change what exactly? You aren't going to get the support of others if people think you're being disrespectful. I'm hoping to change a lot of things LOL. But to keep it on topic about sitting for the pledge, and what that would change. Sitting for the pledge is a way to show dislike for the way this country is going. To NOT give my allegiance to a country I feel is moving in the wrong direction. To show others that I don't support. As for not getting the support of others if I'm being disrespectful, well I highly doubt that the whites thought Rosa Parks was being respectful. Sometimes things need to get ugly, sometimes things need to get dirty for them to get better.
barrelracer89 wrote: Not everything needs to change. But the fact is, you don't need to fix what isn't broken.
Sep 23 09 10:40 PM
barrelracer89 wrote: newmare wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: And you're hoping to change what exactly? You aren't going to get the support of others if people think you're being disrespectful. I'm hoping to change a lot of things LOL. But to keep it on topic about sitting for the pledge, and what that would change. Sitting for the pledge is a way to show dislike for the way this country is going. To NOT give my allegiance to a country I feel is moving in the wrong direction. To show others that I don't support. As for not getting the support of others if I'm being disrespectful, well I highly doubt that the whites thought Rosa Parks was being respectful. Sometimes things need to get ugly, sometimes things need to get dirty for them to get better. I think it's a bit unfair that you're comparing what the country is going through now to the Civil Rights movement. You aren't seeing people being lynched in the streets because of the recession.
newmare wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: Not everything needs to change. But the fact is, you don't need to fix what isn't broken. Not everything needs to be changed all the time. But what DOES need to be changed will change with each person you asked. Ask WhoKilledBambi what needs to change, and she will tell you we need to change our government to have no government. Ask me and I may say we need to change our health care system. Ask you and I'll get a completely different answer than the two previous answers.
Sep 23 09 10:42 PM
barrelracer89 wrote: I think it's a bit unfair that you're comparing what the country is going through now to the Civil Rights movement. You aren't seeing people being lynched in the streets because of the recession.
PonehWarrior wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: newmare wrote: PonehWarrior wrote: And you're hoping to change what exactly? You aren't going to get the support of others if people think you're being disrespectful. I'm hoping to change a lot of things LOL. But to keep it on topic about sitting for the pledge, and what that would change. Sitting for the pledge is a way to show dislike for the way this country is going. To NOT give my allegiance to a country I feel is moving in the wrong direction. To show others that I don't support. As for not getting the support of others if I'm being disrespectful, well I highly doubt that the whites thought Rosa Parks was being respectful. Sometimes things need to get ugly, sometimes things need to get dirty for them to get better. I think it's a bit unfair that you're comparing what the country is going through now to the Civil Rights movement. You aren't seeing people being lynched in the streets because of the recession. And I find it slightly offensive.
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xxthephoenix89xx wrote: You make a really valid point Newmare, but is there nothing to be said for unity?
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Brian Rad wrote: newmare wrote: barrelracer89 wrote: Not everything needs to change. But the fact is, you don't need to fix what isn't broken. Not everything needs to be changed all the time. But what DOES need to be changed will change with each person you asked. Ask WhoKilledBambi what needs to change, and she will tell you we need to change our government to have no government. Ask me and I may say we need to change our health care system. Ask you and I'll get a completely different answer than the two previous answers. Ask me. I'm smarter than you , I never lie and I'm ALWAYS Right. Just ask my wife.
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