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Mar 9 10 5:01 PM
In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.
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Mar 9 10 5:24 PM
PardeKooper wrote:In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.
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Mar 9 10 5:27 PM
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Mar 9 10 5:29 PM
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JenniLynn wrote:I don't have an issue with the trainers method. Please don't take it that way! She's a great friend of mine that has gone way out of her way to help me out. I just wanted other opinions/options on what could be done. 2 heads are better than 1, ya know. He actually has a very sweet personality and loves to be loved on. He just doesn't love to work.
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Mar 9 10 5:35 PM
Mar 9 10 5:38 PM
I don't have a problem with hobble breaking, just don't get the whole tying one of the horses legs up. Seems like an injury waiting to happen considering that they support most of their weight on the front legs. Taking one away and asking them to jump around on the other seems extreme to me. I've never understood the point of it when there are other methods that work just fine.
Natrlhorse wrote:JenniLynn wrote:I don't have an issue with the trainers method. Please don't take it that way! She's a great friend of mine that has gone way out of her way to help me out. I just wanted other opinions/options on what could be done. 2 heads are better than 1, ya know. He actually has a very sweet personality and loves to be loved on. He just doesn't love to work. Quit hand feeding him, really that is going to solve a lot of your behavioral problems without any additional work. Check this out if you want to know why. Just for the sake of clarification, the idea of working two or more horses together (working a SEASONED horse with a green horse) is to use that other horse to help teach the greenie what you want. Lots of horsemen do this, have done this for a long time, but it is ok if people who haven't been exposed to it are not comfortable doing it. It can help a horse gain confidence and feel more at ease if he feels he isn't the only one being singled out an picked on. It is the same reason why you would pony a green horse off a seasoned horse. Your seasoned veteran can teach your young horse how to stop, turn, transitions, how to cross a tarp, go over a jump, etc, etc. Horses will also offer eachother support through tough spots and help eachother figure things out. This is just one suggestion, not everybody owns seasoned horses that are well socialized and/or will tolerate younger horses that are just learning.
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Mar 9 10 5:40 PM
When I ride my horse I get to forget I have a brain injury I was the daughter who wouldn't lift a finger in the house but cycled madly off in the pouring rain to spend all morning mucking out a stable.
Mar 9 10 5:56 PM
pdj47 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.Tying a leg up teaches them way more than whacking on them & your shoer will appreciate your doing it....
PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.
Mar 9 10 6:03 PM
KG349 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.That's cuz youve only been training for twenty years. Did you read that its an old cowboy method. It works well for a kicker or for one that just wont settle down. You can be careful about it, it isnt harmful in any way to their body as long as you know what you are doing. I sure dont use it on every horse, but there are just times you gotta quit being Mr Nice Guy and crack down. It teaches them respect for the handler for many reasons, some being that they are at the mercy of the person that works them, they cannot kick and if they do they fall down, they are humbled (which is a good thing at times), etc. The handler is in control and they learn that real quick.
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Mar 9 10 6:09 PM
My horses ROCK! and now you must look at them all the time :D PardeKooper wrote: All hail Cali Arabian goddess!
Mar 9 10 6:19 PM
PardeKooper wrote:pdj47 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.Tying a leg up teaches them way more than whacking on them & your shoer will appreciate your doing it....So when a horse turns it's butt at you what do you do, stand their and get kicked? I drive their ass away from me, if I have to, I smack them. One minute your talking about how you have done things to horses some of us would not like, then your telling me that I should not hit a horse on the ass when it tries to kick me. LMAO, come on PDJ, really! Put the bottle down and back away slowly. BTW, my farrier said he wishes all the horses he works on where like mine and has complimented me many times on how well I have done with him.
Mar 9 10 6:22 PM
pdj47 wrote:Maybe your guru in the videos you are "learning" from dose but I've never heard of such nonsense....Sounds like a great way to end up with 2 screwed up horses to me...
KG349 wrote: Many old cowboy ways are osbolete, I agree, but not all of them. Ask Clinton Anderson who he learned from. He still uses many of the old cowboy methods. I was aware when I posted about tying a leg up that someone would take it that its abusive. It isnt, but I knew someone would take it that way. I do hope that if you ever work with a horse that plans to plant you in the ground, with both hind feet, that you'll consider it though.
Mar 9 10 6:23 PM
PardeKooper wrote:KG349 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.That's cuz youve only been training for twenty years. Did you read that its an old cowboy method. It works well for a kicker or for one that just wont settle down. You can be careful about it, it isnt harmful in any way to their body as long as you know what you are doing. I sure dont use it on every horse, but there are just times you gotta quit being Mr Nice Guy and crack down. It teaches them respect for the handler for many reasons, some being that they are at the mercy of the person that works them, they cannot kick and if they do they fall down, they are humbled (which is a good thing at times), etc. The handler is in control and they learn that real quick.I'm well aware that it's an old cowboy method. I'm also aware that many of the old cowboy ways are now obsolete and unnecessary compared to improved training techniques. To each their own I suppose.
Mar 9 10 6:25 PM
My horses don't turn their ass to me....Because I'm their friend & don't torment them with useless make work projects....
Mar 9 10 6:27 PM
pdj47 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: KG349 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.That's cuz youve only been training for twenty years. Did you read that its an old cowboy method. It works well for a kicker or for one that just wont settle down. You can be careful about it, it isnt harmful in any way to their body as long as you know what you are doing. I sure dont use it on every horse, but there are just times you gotta quit being Mr Nice Guy and crack down. It teaches them respect for the handler for many reasons, some being that they are at the mercy of the person that works them, they cannot kick and if they do they fall down, they are humbled (which is a good thing at times), etc. The handler is in control and they learn that real quick.I'm well aware that it's an old cowboy method. I'm also aware that many of the old cowboy ways are now obsolete and unnecessary compared to improved training techniques. To each their own I suppose. Yup, they keep thinking of new cuddly ways to sell cd's to people...How many ways can ya make up to chase the poor bastards in circles?
PardeKooper wrote: KG349 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.That's cuz youve only been training for twenty years. Did you read that its an old cowboy method. It works well for a kicker or for one that just wont settle down. You can be careful about it, it isnt harmful in any way to their body as long as you know what you are doing. I sure dont use it on every horse, but there are just times you gotta quit being Mr Nice Guy and crack down. It teaches them respect for the handler for many reasons, some being that they are at the mercy of the person that works them, they cannot kick and if they do they fall down, they are humbled (which is a good thing at times), etc. The handler is in control and they learn that real quick.I'm well aware that it's an old cowboy method. I'm also aware that many of the old cowboy ways are now obsolete and unnecessary compared to improved training techniques. To each their own I suppose.
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