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Mar 9 10 6:29 PM
PardeKooper wrote:KG349 wrote: Many old cowboy ways are osbolete, I agree, but not all of them. Ask Clinton Anderson who he learned from. He still uses many of the old cowboy methods. I was aware when I posted about tying a leg up that someone would take it that its abusive. It isnt, but I knew someone would take it that way. I do hope that if you ever work with a horse that plans to plant you in the ground, with both hind feet, that you'll consider it though.I didn't say they all are. I have been to one of Clintons weekend clinics and have watched many of his videos. For the most part I like what he does, but I don't follow anyone blindly like many people do. I have had a horse turn it's ass on me and repeatedly double barrel at me while backing towards me. As long as he was kicking I was whacking him on the ass, finally he gave up and went back to work. He never tried it again. He had never done it before either, go figure. I didn't have to tie any of his legs up to get my point across. So like I said to each their own.
KG349 wrote: Many old cowboy ways are osbolete, I agree, but not all of them. Ask Clinton Anderson who he learned from. He still uses many of the old cowboy methods. I was aware when I posted about tying a leg up that someone would take it that its abusive. It isnt, but I knew someone would take it that way. I do hope that if you ever work with a horse that plans to plant you in the ground, with both hind feet, that you'll consider it though.
When I ride my horse I get to forget I have a brain injury I was the daughter who wouldn't lift a finger in the house but cycled madly off in the pouring rain to spend all morning mucking out a stable.
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pdj47 wrote:PardeKooper wrote:pdj47 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.Tying a leg up teaches them way more than whacking on them & your shoer will appreciate your doing it....So when a horse turns it's butt at you what do you do, stand their and get kicked? I drive their ass away from me, if I have to, I smack them. One minute your talking about how you have done things to horses some of us would not like, then your telling me that I should not hit a horse on the ass when it tries to kick me. LMAO, come on PDJ, really! Put the bottle down and back away slowly. BTW, my farrier said he wishes all the horses he works on where like mine and has complimented me many times on how well I have done with him. My horses don't turn their ass to me....Because I'm their friend & don't torment them with useless make work projects....
PardeKooper wrote:pdj47 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.Tying a leg up teaches them way more than whacking on them & your shoer will appreciate your doing it....So when a horse turns it's butt at you what do you do, stand their and get kicked? I drive their ass away from me, if I have to, I smack them. One minute your talking about how you have done things to horses some of us would not like, then your telling me that I should not hit a horse on the ass when it tries to kick me. LMAO, come on PDJ, really! Put the bottle down and back away slowly. BTW, my farrier said he wishes all the horses he works on where like mine and has complimented me many times on how well I have done with him.
pdj47 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.Tying a leg up teaches them way more than whacking on them & your shoer will appreciate your doing it....
PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.
In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.
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Natrlhorse wrote:pdj47 wrote:Maybe your guru in the videos you are "learning" from dose but I've never heard of such nonsense....Sounds like a great way to end up with 2 screwed up horses to me...I didn't learn from videos, I don't really own any. If you had the opportunity to watch Ray Hunt or Buck Brannaman or any other quality trainer start colts, you would see an arena full of them being worked loose. This is pretty common stuff, the reasoning behind it is to keep the colts and riders out of trouble by keeping them working/distracted.http://clinics.eclectic-horseman.com/main.php?g2_itemId=9214
pdj47 wrote:Maybe your guru in the videos you are "learning" from dose but I've never heard of such nonsense....Sounds like a great way to end up with 2 screwed up horses to me...
Mar 9 10 6:34 PM
PardeKooper wrote:My horses don't turn their ass to me....Because I'm their friend & don't torment them with useless make work projects....So a horse has never tried to kick you?
My horses don't turn their ass to me....Because I'm their friend & don't torment them with useless make work projects....
Mar 9 10 6:36 PM
PardeKooper wrote:pdj47 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: KG349 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.That's cuz youve only been training for twenty years. Did you read that its an old cowboy method. It works well for a kicker or for one that just wont settle down. You can be careful about it, it isnt harmful in any way to their body as long as you know what you are doing. I sure dont use it on every horse, but there are just times you gotta quit being Mr Nice Guy and crack down. It teaches them respect for the handler for many reasons, some being that they are at the mercy of the person that works them, they cannot kick and if they do they fall down, they are humbled (which is a good thing at times), etc. The handler is in control and they learn that real quick.I'm well aware that it's an old cowboy method. I'm also aware that many of the old cowboy ways are now obsolete and unnecessary compared to improved training techniques. To each their own I suppose. Yup, they keep thinking of new cuddly ways to sell cd's to people...How many ways can ya make up to chase the poor bastards in circles?You're just mad that they are selling more shit than you are.
pdj47 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: KG349 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.That's cuz youve only been training for twenty years. Did you read that its an old cowboy method. It works well for a kicker or for one that just wont settle down. You can be careful about it, it isnt harmful in any way to their body as long as you know what you are doing. I sure dont use it on every horse, but there are just times you gotta quit being Mr Nice Guy and crack down. It teaches them respect for the handler for many reasons, some being that they are at the mercy of the person that works them, they cannot kick and if they do they fall down, they are humbled (which is a good thing at times), etc. The handler is in control and they learn that real quick.I'm well aware that it's an old cowboy method. I'm also aware that many of the old cowboy ways are now obsolete and unnecessary compared to improved training techniques. To each their own I suppose. Yup, they keep thinking of new cuddly ways to sell cd's to people...How many ways can ya make up to chase the poor bastards in circles?
PardeKooper wrote: KG349 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.That's cuz youve only been training for twenty years. Did you read that its an old cowboy method. It works well for a kicker or for one that just wont settle down. You can be careful about it, it isnt harmful in any way to their body as long as you know what you are doing. I sure dont use it on every horse, but there are just times you gotta quit being Mr Nice Guy and crack down. It teaches them respect for the handler for many reasons, some being that they are at the mercy of the person that works them, they cannot kick and if they do they fall down, they are humbled (which is a good thing at times), etc. The handler is in control and they learn that real quick.I'm well aware that it's an old cowboy method. I'm also aware that many of the old cowboy ways are now obsolete and unnecessary compared to improved training techniques. To each their own I suppose.
KG349 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: In over 20 years of working with horses I have never had to tie ones leg up. Just seems like a lot of trouble when all you have to do is smack them on the ass. I can see where tying a leg up may tire them out and teach them to accept being restrained. However, I'm wondering how it teaches them respect towards the handler. If anyone would like to explain I would love to hear it.That's cuz youve only been training for twenty years. Did you read that its an old cowboy method. It works well for a kicker or for one that just wont settle down. You can be careful about it, it isnt harmful in any way to their body as long as you know what you are doing. I sure dont use it on every horse, but there are just times you gotta quit being Mr Nice Guy and crack down. It teaches them respect for the handler for many reasons, some being that they are at the mercy of the person that works them, they cannot kick and if they do they fall down, they are humbled (which is a good thing at times), etc. The handler is in control and they learn that real quick.
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PDJ does have a good point here. What makes the horse think it is ok to kick at people anyhow? They aren't born knowing that, they had to learn it somewhere, usually from being scared or annoyed
Mar 9 10 6:38 PM
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Mar 9 10 6:41 PM
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Mar 9 10 6:43 PM
Parde, no need to argue. There is a big difference between a horse that does this once and gets reprimanded right away and never done it again, and one, like the horse we are discussing, that has done it many times. Some horses are more challenging than others. This one is down-right dangerous and it would be a much better idea to put the horse in a situation where he may hurt himself, than to put the OP in the hospital.
Mar 9 10 6:47 PM
PardeKooper wrote:PDJ does have a good point here. What makes the horse think it is ok to kick at people anyhow? They aren't born knowing that, they had to learn it somewhere, usually from being scared or annoyed Horses kick at each other all the time. Why would they not kick at people?
Mar 9 10 6:48 PM
JenniLynn wrote:**Waits for the pissing fight to end and advice to start again** PDJ, I don't feel comfortable tying his leg up. Not because of worrying about him hurting himself, but because I have no clue how to do it properly and one of us might end up dead for that. I am not planning on selling/trading this guy for a couple of instances of kicking. I plan on getting his ass to respect me, (<Skip This) and then if I can't handle him he'll go to a trainer . C Could we please stop arguing about which idea is better and actually write something useful? Thank you!
Mar 9 10 6:50 PM
JenniLynn wrote: **Waits for the pissing fight to end and advice to start again**PDJ, I don't feel comfortable tying his leg up. Not because of worrying about him hurting himself, but because I have no clue how to do it properly and one of us might end up dead for that.I am not planning on selling/trading this guy for a couple of instances of kicking. I plan on getting his ass to respect me, and then if I can't handle him he'll go to a trainer. CCould we please stop arguing about which idea is better and actually write something useful? Thank you!
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Mar 9 10 6:52 PM
Mar 9 10 6:54 PM
JenniLynn wrote:**Waits for the pissing fight to end and advice to start again** PDJ, I don't feel comfortable tying his leg up. Not because of worrying about him hurting himself, but because I have no clue how to do it properly and one of us might end up dead for that. I am not planning on selling/trading this guy for a couple of instances of kicking. I plan on getting his ass to respect me, and then if I can't handle him he'll go to a trainer. C Could we please stop arguing about which idea is better and actually write something useful? Thank you!
Mar 9 10 6:57 PM
Mar 9 10 6:58 PM
JenniLynn wrote:It started as great advice. And then tying a leg was mentioned and it all went to shit. I already mentioned I have no plans of tying up his legs. I have no clue how to do that and would be putting both myself and my horse at risk. So I'm hoping we can move beyond fighting about if it's cruel or not. And if you think I'm rude, well..such is life. I never claimed to be a sweet person. But, I'm reading page after page of useless bitching at the moment. I really don't care if tying a leg up is new way, old way, cruel, or not cruel. I don't plan on doing it. If you want to fight about it..start a thread about that!
Mar 9 10 7:00 PM
AutumnEffect wrote:What exactly are you wanting to hear JenniLynn? Because obviously, the stuff we'd said ain't it.
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