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Mar 9 10 7:01 PM
LOL...How do you know?
They don't kick the head horse & I'm it....
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Mar 9 10 7:02 PM
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Mar 9 10 7:12 PM
PardeKooper wrote:LOL...How do you know?((Hugs)) It's ok, do you want me to buy some of your hobbles? They don't kick the head horse & I'm it....Exactly, you raised your babies so they know better. However, a new horse is gonna try and see what it can get away with. When putting a horse into a new heard situation squabbles often break out, they kick/bite to establish dominance. Therefore, I see nothing wrong with me smacking one on the ass to let it know I'm the boss. It's certainly not cuddly, it's the way they communicate. They don't use ropes, lol.
Mar 9 10 7:13 PM
JenniLynn wrote:I can pick up his feet all damn day long. I've never tied a leg! I'm not going to risk my skull trying it!
Mar 9 10 7:15 PM
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Mar 9 10 7:19 PM
Mar 9 10 7:22 PM
Yes I do......Yup I wouldn't be against whacking one in that instance but I'd want a long sorting pole , not some flimsy whip. The fact is this girl is afraid of it to start with so her trying to do anything like that just ain't gonna work...
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Mar 9 10 7:24 PM
pdj47 wrote: PardeKooper wrote: PDJ does have a good point here. What makes the horse think it is ok to kick at people anyhow? They aren't born knowing that, they had to learn it somewhere, usually from being scared or annoyedHorses kick at each other all the time. Why would they not kick at people?They don't kick the head horse & I'm it....
PardeKooper wrote: PDJ does have a good point here. What makes the horse think it is ok to kick at people anyhow? They aren't born knowing that, they had to learn it somewhere, usually from being scared or annoyedHorses kick at each other all the time. Why would they not kick at people?
PDJ does have a good point here. What makes the horse think it is ok to kick at people anyhow? They aren't born knowing that, they had to learn it somewhere, usually from being scared or annoyed
Mar 9 10 7:32 PM
JenniLynn wrote:Nope. None of the horses are hobble broke **Waits to watch PDJ fall down of a heart attack**
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Mar 9 10 7:36 PM
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JenniLynn wrote:It is just on that one side. And his ears are flat, head down, backing up. He's double barreled me once and twice kicked out with one foot. Not hit me though (wanted to clarify that)
1, use a lunge line, EVERY time. If you yank the horse's head in towards you, you're forcing the butt away from you. Use that double knot rope halter that I see pictured, those can be harsh but in this situation the horse needs to learn respect NOW.
2, hold a bucket while lunging. An empty one. The second those ears go back and the butt begins to face you, THROW THE BUCKET AS HARD AS YOU CAN at the horse's butt, and holler at them like you're gonna kill them. It surprises the hell out of them, makes a good bit of racket, but doesn't actually harm them.
3, send the horse forward, work work work. If the horse is going forward they can't double barrel you at the same time.
It's a John Lyons idea (not the bucket, though). If the horse does something that bad, you make the horse think it is going to die for about 5 seconds. Then continue on like nothing happened. Rinse, repeat.
If you're truly afraid to fix this, or even just real apprehensive, I agree with the folks saying just get a trainer. It'll be easier for a trainer to nip this in the bud now, rather than you TRY to fix it and FAIL, then the horse thinks it can get away with it, and it becomes a much bigger problem.
EDIT; Easier to hit a horse with a bucket than with the lash of the whip, too, for us aiming-impaired.
JenniLynn wrote: It is just on that one side. And his ears are flat, head down, backing up. He's double barreled me once and twice kicked out with one foot. Not hit me though (wanted to clarify that)
Mar 9 10 7:38 PM
Mar 9 10 7:40 PM
CassielFell wrote:JenniLynn wrote: It is just on that one side. And his ears are flat, head down, backing up. He's double barreled me once and twice kicked out with one foot. Not hit me though (wanted to clarify that)If that's his stiff side.. He doesn't want to do it and he's figured out, somewhere, that he doesn't have to always do it if he behaves like a jackass. (I think he also has your number.. if you have bum leg or arm.. a horse CAN, and WILL figure that out and take advantage of it. They do it amongst themselves, never doubt that they do it with people.)I've only ever had to deal with one full out turd (3yr old, half-spoiled, pony, filly) like that.. I got a lunge line with a chain and ran it thru the rings of her halter and then clipped the chain back to the base of the lungeline (gives you something with some bite and a pretty quick release) and a good lunge whip with a few knots in the end. Soon as the ears would twist back and she got that look.. I behaved like an insane, fucking, banshee.One round pen session of that and she decided that it just wasn't worth it. Next session.. all I had to do was hiss. Third session.. if I gave her the look and stepped toward her.. hindquarters were back against the roundpen and she was a lady. ...After that she was pie.....probably would be considered absolutely disreputable behavior on here, but a pinched chin and a filly that was under the conviction for several days that I might turn into a giant bat and eat her alive.. was a helluva lot better than hooves flying at my crunchy parts.A horse like that, if that behavior is allowed to continue (and isn't reprimanded in the MOST thorough way possible) could seriously hurt you. All it takes is one hoof to your head or your face and you're a vegetable.They don't even necessarily have to be "meaning" to land a kick.. Shit happens. Aggressive behavior should not be tolerated. I will put up with a horse that kicks out and away from me if he hurts. Hell, I'll put up with certain nervous kickers. But I will not put up with open aggression like that.
sublimequine wrote: JenniLynn wrote: Lol Sublime, I don't know why but the visual of throwing the bucket and yelling just had me LMAO. It's a really good idea though. Thanks!It's funny because it's so ludicrous and unexpected.. but that's the whole point! You surprise them, and immediately get that brain from "I'm pissed, gonna kick now, kthx" to, "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?! WTF BUCKET?!?!?"
JenniLynn wrote: Lol Sublime, I don't know why but the visual of throwing the bucket and yelling just had me LMAO. It's a really good idea though. Thanks!
Mar 9 10 7:41 PM
JenniLynn wrote:Lol Sublime, I don't know why but the visual of throwing the bucket and yelling just had me LMAO. It's a really good idea though. Thanks!
Mar 9 10 7:45 PM
CassielFell wrote:sublimequine wrote: JenniLynn wrote: Lol Sublime, I don't know why but the visual of throwing the bucket and yelling just had me LMAO. It's a really good idea though. Thanks!It's funny because it's so ludicrous and unexpected.. but that's the whole point! You surprise them, and immediately get that brain from "I'm pissed, gonna kick now, kthx" to, "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?! WTF BUCKET?!?!?" The trick is... the.....................lasting impression!
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