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May 6 10 2:41 PM
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May 6 10 2:42 PM
Callisto04 wrote:ravelyan wrote:Lol, can anyone in this little spat actually articulate what you're fighting about? Everybody is agreed that HnH's mare is a nice horse. Everybody is agreed that it was a good sale. Many people have been bemused by the idea that someone would ship a horse to Australia just to trail ride; those same people have also said that it's the buyer's money and he can do what he wants with it. So why all the bitch slapping?I'm sorry, but when I sell something and the reaction is that my buyer must have more money than brains, I would feel offended too. It makes the deal look like I took advantages of him/her. And with the history of this board, it wouldn't be unrealistic to think that those comment were made with that intention. Maybe they weren't, I think some of the people that made those remarks are usually nice (but I am sometimes a bit naive, based on my own experiences). But I don't blame HNH for being a bit offended and FTF only stood up for an internet buddy. Maybe their observations and reactions were a bit influenced by earlier experiences on this board, but that goes even much more for the others.
ravelyan wrote:Lol, can anyone in this little spat actually articulate what you're fighting about? Everybody is agreed that HnH's mare is a nice horse. Everybody is agreed that it was a good sale. Many people have been bemused by the idea that someone would ship a horse to Australia just to trail ride; those same people have also said that it's the buyer's money and he can do what he wants with it. So why all the bitch slapping?
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May 6 10 2:45 PM
Let me try this one more time, though I have little hope that it will make any difference at this point:
No one is saying the buyer was stupid to buy the mare. She is a nice mare and it makes sense why buyers would want her. No problem there, and good for HnH for making the sale. People are saying that the buyer was stupid to buy the mare to ship her to AUS for trail riding. There has since been some talk that he may also want to show her or breed her. Good for him, and again, good for HnH on making the sale and placing the mare with someone who is very excited about owning her. But all of the "buyer has more money than brains" talk was based on what was originally stated, which was that she would be used only for trail riding in Australia, which again, is quite silly, irrespective of the mare's quality.
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May 6 10 2:46 PM
erika wrote:Callisto04 wrote:ravelyan wrote:Lol, can anyone in this little spat actually articulate what you're fighting about? Everybody is agreed that HnH's mare is a nice horse. Everybody is agreed that it was a good sale. Many people have been bemused by the idea that someone would ship a horse to Australia just to trail ride; those same people have also said that it's the buyer's money and he can do what he wants with it. So why all the bitch slapping?I'm sorry, but when I sell something and the reaction is that my buyer must have more money than brains, I would feel offended too. It makes the deal look like I took advantages of him/her. See this makes me feel like we're really not reading the same thread. Or that some people are only reading bits and pieces o the thread.
Callisto04 wrote:ravelyan wrote:Lol, can anyone in this little spat actually articulate what you're fighting about? Everybody is agreed that HnH's mare is a nice horse. Everybody is agreed that it was a good sale. Many people have been bemused by the idea that someone would ship a horse to Australia just to trail ride; those same people have also said that it's the buyer's money and he can do what he wants with it. So why all the bitch slapping?I'm sorry, but when I sell something and the reaction is that my buyer must have more money than brains, I would feel offended too. It makes the deal look like I took advantages of him/her.
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May 6 10 4:35 PM
All her sale proves is that you found a buyer with more money then brains....
It kinda sounds like your saying if he has more money than brains, that my horse is a piece of shit.
Sort of like how everyone here overpays like crazy for a certain warmblood from a certain country, no matter the quality.
I can't speak for TRD, but it sounds to me as though he's saying that it makes little sense to buy a trail horse (who isn't a trail horse) in Texas to ship to WV and then send over to Australia. And I agree. To me, that sounds ridiculous.
but paying big bucks and importing a horse makes it seem more special, and is often an ego thing
The double registered thing, though, just isn't that big a deal outside the US.
I haven't seen a single person say anything remotely resembling "tearing this mare down."
But yes, that's a hell of a lot of money to spend on shipping when there is likely a quality individual already in Australia who'd fill the same role just as well.
It appears to be a new concept to recognize the value in paying good money for a breeding quality horse, especially when there are so many rescues to choose from.
It is 100% about the logistics of the buyer's decision.
May 6 10 4:42 PM
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May 6 10 4:43 PM
Timid Wild One wrote:HNH, if there was more to it, we didn't know. We were just going on the information that was provided and forming (and stating) our opinions based on that information. There's nothing wrong with holding those opinions if the situation is indeed as simple as it was presented. We had nothing to point us in any other direction. You know how this place is, people take information, draw conclusions, share conclusions, make assumptions, share assumptions, then argue when they don't agree. It's an inevitability. Maybe if the first person hadn't said it, someone else would have. Maybe if nobody had said it, someone else still would have thought it. You can't really control that so no reason to heed any of it if that's not your interest. I'll say it again. I'm glad you found a great home for Idge. I'm happy you got a price you're satisfied with. All that matters is that she's going to a loving home that will meet her needs. The rest is just speculation and idle banter. people showing their true colorseta: this is the part that is misleading, then:hotternhel wrote:All he wants to do is trail ride her and let her hang out in the pasture in her spare time.How could we draw any other conclusions if that's the information we're given? Nobody knew about the "also" so you can't really fault us for not taking it into consideration. If he's got bigger plans for her, then my opinion changes. But I don't have that info any more than anybody else does, and again, you know this place. Everyone's got an opinion, and they're gonna share it (that's the point of a discussion forum, right?). Funny??? I thought a discussion forum was for sharing info and Learning??? Not dissecting every post and trying to make it into something not "Up to par"? Guess I was wrong???
hotternhel wrote:All he wants to do is trail ride her and let her hang out in the pasture in her spare time.
May 6 10 4:46 PM
TrickRoperDeluxe wrote:Glad to see FTF is back to being a completely worthless bitch. Have you gotten you're painted cow to any more shows to prove just how worthy of a breeding stud he is? This forum may very well be made up of mostly young people , but the vast majority are NOTHING like you and that IS something to be proud of. The day I look down on everyone the way you do is the day I hope my ass is kicked so hard my neck breaks.
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May 6 10 4:47 PM
kuvaszfan wrote: He may be and he may not be. 50% or more of the horses from ANY given bloodline aren't of a breeding quality level, so just because a horse is by a big time sire doesn't make that foal instant high quality.So what then makes the sire such a value, when by your own admission, there is no guarantee the foal is going to be of quality? Again, it depends on what another person is willing to pay and what value that person (with the wallet) puts on that animal. Same can be said of someones backyard rescue. So why is it alright for this man to spend his money on a horse that not everyone might feel is worth the price, but you look down on someone with a backyard nag?If he only intends on riding the mare, she is by all intend and purpose just your average backyard nag, with a high price tag. (no offence to the horse or any backyard nag).
He may be and he may not be. 50% or more of the horses from ANY given bloodline aren't of a breeding quality level, so just because a horse is by a big time sire doesn't make that foal instant high quality.
ForFutureoftheBreed said:
As many of the "we" and "us" people have stated, you do not get a second chance to participate as a valued, contributing member here no matter what you say. After considering that fact, I have nothing to lose by posting whatever I please.
May 6 10 4:50 PM
TrickRoperDeluxe wrote:As usual , it's everyone but you FTF , we are the problem. Not you , never. You arent one of the most venom filled people alive. No one but you knows anything about horses. I don't understand why the lot of you don't just stay on the porn board where you can kiss each others ass's. I made the comment about more money then brains based on the traveling deal and only that.I Even stated my statement had nothing to do with the sale. When I die , I am certain my funeral will actually have people showing up , friends , family etc... When you go if anyone shows up it'll be the people left to put you in the dirt again (since ole painted cow did it once already; how on earth you fall off a horse like that though...) :::looks in mirror::::: ::whispers::: Horsehawk,Horsehawk,Horsehawk!!!!!!
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May 6 10 4:59 PM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote:And TWO says:I haven't seen a single person say anything remotely resembling "tearing this mare down."No? How about this from TWO:But yes, that's a hell of a lot of money to spend on shipping when there is likely a quality individual already in Australia who'd fill the same role just as well....implying the same quality or better can be found in Australia. Another reason I spoke up about the quality of the mare and the selection criteria of the buyer that must be considered. ... That's where I got upset and defended the quality of HnH's mare vs. owners of a bunch of backyard rescues (which I still believe is the majority of the posters here). In reality, that isn't the demographics of those knowledgeable in all things breeding quality. Twenty-year-olds are also not the group where the bulk of knowledge lies as it pertains to breeding and quality (which is the age group that makes up the majority of the population here). So, yeah, my remarks were said with those things in mind. But I'm being "condescending". I am not allowed to misunderstand your comments, but by golly, rip me apart and don't give me the benefit of the doubt. Hell no.
May 6 10 5:00 PM
sunridge1 wrote:TRD give it up. Jeez! Freaking grudge holder.I'll admit that some of the posts could have been taken either way, using words like insane, crazy, etc. to describe HnH's "CLIENT" could easily be interpreted as a slam to all involved. Especially on FiSH but then again people on here tend to say, what a POS whether it is not. No one ever assumes on here, they sure as hell give everyone the benefit of the doubt.Example: Sounds like: Could be interpreted as: "The guy from Australia is an idiot buying a horse from HnH.""Stupid guy could have bought a better horse for less than the shipping costs in his own country."
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May 6 10 5:02 PM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: I already knew that I wasn't your favorite person, so of course the attacks were sure to follow. I expected no less of any of you, either. It's actually quite satisfying for me to occasionally post my opinion about ponehs from time to time, though. Yanno, free speech and all that. Maybe if I talk baby talk and misspell everything, share all the details of my sex life on a public forum, start drinking and smoking dope, kiss your ass, put morons like TRD on a pedestal, type in text speak and hang out in chat rooms, and pick up a fugly rescue...then would I fit in? No thank you.The bottom line is what HNH said in her first post - The market is still good for quality horses, which, unfortunately, is something many of you do not agree with or even understand. And since you have no real foundation for a civil discussion on that, you resort to criticizing the purchaser for his perceived intentions, or even the intention of the OP for sharing the sale of her mare. That's a pretty sad deal. After all, you're all so perfect and never present your opinions without judgment and sarcasm. The Fugly blog nurtured the unmoderated snark, you all took that and ran with it without remorse, limits, or consequences, and your board owner encourages the drama. So roll in it.
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May 6 10 5:04 PM
Callisto04 wrote:TrickRoperDeluxe wrote:Hey look the titty baby is here. Does she fly you in for a suckle on her own dime? Lets see , there HW , HnH , FTF , Calisto , i'll even give you Sunridge saying it's everyone else...Theres 18pages of many more people disagreeing. Im no math wiz but the statistics of this one are pretty easy to see.... Callisto - I do try to be a good Christian and one of the smartest things I do is recognize MY flaws. However you're milk maid has a much bigger flaw then anyone on here. She really believes she knows more and is better then everyone else and NO ONE can be smarter or better.Recognizing or even admitting your flaws is not a big deal. As long as you don't work on it, it means nothing and is just talk. Recently a bishop in Belgium also recognized his flaws. He sexually abused at least one kid. So do you think he's a good Christian?And why do you insult me? Did I call you bad names? Try harder, not just talking but in your actions.And you don't know FTF. You never did business with her. I did and I haven't got a single complaint. You didn't need to point out you aren't a math wiz...
TrickRoperDeluxe wrote:Hey look the titty baby is here. Does she fly you in for a suckle on her own dime? Lets see , there HW , HnH , FTF , Calisto , i'll even give you Sunridge saying it's everyone else...Theres 18pages of many more people disagreeing. Im no math wiz but the statistics of this one are pretty easy to see.... Callisto - I do try to be a good Christian and one of the smartest things I do is recognize MY flaws. However you're milk maid has a much bigger flaw then anyone on here. She really believes she knows more and is better then everyone else and NO ONE can be smarter or better.
May 6 10 5:06 PM
horsewoman1965 wrote:Timid Wild One wrote:HNH, if there was more to it, we didn't know. We were just going on the information that was provided and forming (and stating) our opinions based on that information. There's nothing wrong with holding those opinions if the situation is indeed as simple as it was presented. We had nothing to point us in any other direction. You know how this place is, people take information, draw conclusions, share conclusions, make assumptions, share assumptions, then argue when they don't agree. It's an inevitability. Maybe if the first person hadn't said it, someone else would have. Maybe if nobody had said it, someone else still would have thought it. You can't really control that so no reason to heed any of it if that's not your interest. I'll say it again. I'm glad you found a great home for Idge. I'm happy you got a price you're satisfied with. All that matters is that she's going to a loving home that will meet her needs. The rest is just speculation and idle banter. people showing their true colorseta: this is the part that is misleading, then:hotternhel wrote:All he wants to do is trail ride her and let her hang out in the pasture in her spare time.How could we draw any other conclusions if that's the information we're given? Nobody knew about the "also" so you can't really fault us for not taking it into consideration. If he's got bigger plans for her, then my opinion changes. But I don't have that info any more than anybody else does, and again, you know this place. Everyone's got an opinion, and they're gonna share it (that's the point of a discussion forum, right?). Funny??? I thought a discussion forum was for sharing info and Learning??? Not dissecting every post and trying to make it into something not "Up to par"? Guess I was wrong???Fixed that for ya
May 6 10 5:10 PM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote:At the beginning of this thread, all was pretty nice. For a short time. Then along comes TRD with this shit:All her sale proves is that you found a buyer with more money then brains....The word is "than". "Then" changes the meaning of the sentence. Nothing was said about the cost of shipping here, so that could be taken a number of ways. Then HnH responds to TRD, which includes this sentence:It kinda sounds like your saying if he has more money than brains, that my horse is a piece of shit.It looks like HnH took the comments the same way I did. Then came this comment by shiggins, which could also be taken a number of ways:Sort of like how everyone here overpays like crazy for a certain warmblood from a certain country, no matter the quality.In other words, "overpays" for lesser quality...not "overpays for shipping". "Quality" being the key word here, not shipping costs. BIWAP says:I can't speak for TRD, but it sounds to me as though he's saying that it makes little sense to buy a trail horse (who isn't a trail horse) in Texas to ship to WV and then send over to Australia. And I agree. To me, that sounds ridiculous. "Isn't a trail horse"? What is that supposed to imply? Again, that could be taken a number of ways, but no explanation of which it is was offered. Not until later.foxhunter said:but paying big bucks and importing a horse makes it seem more special, and is often an ego thingIn other words, paying big bucks (and the cost of shipping) is something only an idiot would do. Could also be taken several ways. Another comment that could be taken as downplaying the value of the mare, by galen98:The double registered thing, though, just isn't that big a deal outside the US.Says who? I know people who value double registered horses, even in other countries.And TWO says:I haven't seen a single person say anything remotely resembling "tearing this mare down."No? How about this from TWO:But yes, that's a hell of a lot of money to spend on shipping when there is likely a quality individual already in Australia who'd fill the same role just as well....implying the same quality or better can be found in Australia. Another reason I spoke up about the quality of the mare and the selection criteria of the buyer that must be considered. Then my first post in its entirety, which was in response to HW's question, and because I got the same impression that the posts above were somehow questioning this buyer's sanity for buying HnH's mare:It appears to be a new concept to recognize the value in paying good money for a breeding quality horse, especially when there are so many rescues to choose from.Oh, how utterly despicable of me to say that! Then BIWAP again, speaking to everyone's comments about the buyer:It is 100% about the logistics of the buyer's decision.Could have fooled me!And it goes on...and on.Do you all see how the written word can be taken differently, even if the opinions weren't intended to give certain impressions? The general tone was "that buyer has more money than brains...he could have found what he was looking for in Australia." I would have been offended if that was my mare I just sold, too. A few mentioned the shipping costs, and a few pretty much said, "that much for just a trail horse?" Someone even said, "that much for a trail horse that isn't a trail horse", whatever that is supposed to mean. That's where I got upset and defended the quality of HnH's mare vs. owners of a bunch of backyard rescues (which I still believe is the majority of the posters here). In reality, that isn't the demographics of those knowledgeable in all things breeding quality. Twenty-year-olds are also not the group where the bulk of knowledge lies as it pertains to breeding and quality (which is the age group that makes up the majority of the population here). So, yeah, my remarks were said with those things in mind. But I'm being "condescending". I am not allowed to misunderstand your comments, but by golly, rip me apart and don't give me the benefit of the doubt. Hell no.Yes, I've had it with people who are not qualified to make those judgments, or are old enough or have the experience behind them to tear down those who are qualified. Many of you don't even recognize it when someone knows what they're talking about because many of you are too illiterate to see it. Yes you are. You know who you are. No, this isn't about me. I don't want it to be about me or my horse, but some of you always make it about me or my horse. You have nothing else but the attack dog mentality and the bandwagon. If this were such a good place, all rainbows and butterflies, and you were all the perfect angels you make yourselves out to be, then many of the very knowledgeable, logical, extremely educated and literate, friendly, generous people who used to be here, would still be here. Unfortunately, many are not. I wonder why they left? It is partly due to you believing you have every right to YOUR opinions and snark, any time, any place, directed at anyone you choose, yet others do not have the right to their opinions without being chastised for them. So, what is it going to be? Understand where I and a few others are coming from (benefit of the doubt), or do you attack some more because something wasn't quite worded to your satisfaction?
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