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May 6 10 10:05 AM
TrickRoperDeluxe wrote:BEX - you're right , what I said was/is no better then her and that's pretty damned low. However true it may be , it wasnt nice. One thing I always try to keep in mind is what will I leave behind when im gone. When you are as hatefull as she is the only thing people will recall about you is how nasty you were. I may not be one of the nicest people on here but im certainly a long way from hating others as much as FTF does. I sincerely hope my life ends before I end up like her....
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May 6 10 10:20 AM
ddranch wrote: hotternhel wrote: Well hell, y'all just get pissy about the littlest stuff. Let me explain something to you guys. I did not and will not give you every detail about the purchase and intended use of the horse. All of your assumptions are just that... assumptions. Assume away. You took two little details and made it your entire argument, yet you are missing a lot of other facts. I gave y'all very minimum details. Yes, HE wants to trail ride her mainly. He doesn't show now because he's never had a show horse. He would like to learn but he's not sure if he would be interested in it wholeheartedly. He also has other plans for her though, and frankly they aren't anyone else's business but his and mine. I'm not going to put his plans here, or anywhere else, so that a group can just say they either do, or do not, agree with his intended plans.I thought it was nice that I got the horse sold, she has a great home, and I was happy about it so I wanted to share. Nothing more. I didn't want a damn bitchfest and pages and pages of arguments when in reality, the assumptions that are being made are based off minimum details, and the conclusions being drawn are incorrect. It was hard enough for me to load up a horse this morning that I have poured my blood, sweat, and tears into for quite some time now, just to have her turn and look at me like "why can't I stay with you? Where am I going?" Then I get on here and y'all are bitching about two things that you don't have all the details about. When did this board become a place where a person has to disclose every detail of a transaction?Congratulations on the sale HnH!Many of the reader will be jealous because the only shipping that they are going to do is the shipping of a half TWH crossed on a Quarter Arab,Morgan to a dog food processing plant as they don't even meet the grade for steaks in France....Ha!
hotternhel wrote: Well hell, y'all just get pissy about the littlest stuff. Let me explain something to you guys. I did not and will not give you every detail about the purchase and intended use of the horse. All of your assumptions are just that... assumptions. Assume away. You took two little details and made it your entire argument, yet you are missing a lot of other facts. I gave y'all very minimum details. Yes, HE wants to trail ride her mainly. He doesn't show now because he's never had a show horse. He would like to learn but he's not sure if he would be interested in it wholeheartedly. He also has other plans for her though, and frankly they aren't anyone else's business but his and mine. I'm not going to put his plans here, or anywhere else, so that a group can just say they either do, or do not, agree with his intended plans.I thought it was nice that I got the horse sold, she has a great home, and I was happy about it so I wanted to share. Nothing more. I didn't want a damn bitchfest and pages and pages of arguments when in reality, the assumptions that are being made are based off minimum details, and the conclusions being drawn are incorrect. It was hard enough for me to load up a horse this morning that I have poured my blood, sweat, and tears into for quite some time now, just to have her turn and look at me like "why can't I stay with you? Where am I going?" Then I get on here and y'all are bitching about two things that you don't have all the details about. When did this board become a place where a person has to disclose every detail of a transaction?
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May 6 10 10:25 AM
QuantumMark2 wrote: ddranch wrote: hotternhel wrote: Well hell, y'all just get pissy about the littlest stuff. Let me explain something to you guys. I did not and will not give you every detail about the purchase and intended use of the horse. All of your assumptions are just that... assumptions. Assume away. You took two little details and made it your entire argument, yet you are missing a lot of other facts. I gave y'all very minimum details. Yes, HE wants to trail ride her mainly. He doesn't show now because he's never had a show horse. He would like to learn but he's not sure if he would be interested in it wholeheartedly. He also has other plans for her though, and frankly they aren't anyone else's business but his and mine. I'm not going to put his plans here, or anywhere else, so that a group can just say they either do, or do not, agree with his intended plans.I thought it was nice that I got the horse sold, she has a great home, and I was happy about it so I wanted to share. Nothing more. I didn't want a damn bitchfest and pages and pages of arguments when in reality, the assumptions that are being made are based off minimum details, and the conclusions being drawn are incorrect. It was hard enough for me to load up a horse this morning that I have poured my blood, sweat, and tears into for quite some time now, just to have her turn and look at me like "why can't I stay with you? Where am I going?" Then I get on here and y'all are bitching about two things that you don't have all the details about. When did this board become a place where a person has to disclose every detail of a transaction?Congratulations on the sale HnH!Many of the reader will be jealous because the only shipping that they are going to do is the shipping of a half TWH crossed on a Quarter Arab,Morgan to a dog food processing plant as they don't even meet the grade for steaks in France....Ha!Hey, DD, get your facts straight. The TWH already has been to exported to Australia, Netherlands, Israel, and has a well-developed sister association for TWH breeders in Germany established for many years. There are shows/clinics/championships held in Germany for the TWH. The big German breeders travel every year back to TN to compete in the World Championship Show. One of my friends personally exported some of her top horses to Israel; consulted with the people on how to set up a breeding program and which horses to choose. The SSH has also already been exported to Israel, and they exported a top-quality stallion to begin a breeding program there. Have you heard of ever heard of the Countess Mariella Fugger? She has TWHs in the US and in Germany; she travels to the US to compete in the top TWH shows, and she stands the Dark Vengeance line. And, another little fact you may have missed: the guy who started the TWHBEA (Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders' and Exhibitors' Association) sister association in Germany has resigned his position to become the President of the AQHA. So, be careful who you call jealous and who you run down; it's not the serious, informed TWH people attacking HnH. I wish HnH all the success in the world; I don't agree with everyone beating her up. However, I take offense at your statement that a TWH-cross wouldn't even make the grade for steak in France. There's no need to attack other breeds as being inferior. Clearly you don't know anything about the TWH. We've been exporting high-quality horses for many years now.
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May 6 10 10:32 AM
msmith wrote:I think that you are incorrectly conflating people's surprise that the buyer planned to import a horse to another continent to trail ride with the idea that there is no market for quality horses. I didn't see anyone say that there isn't a market for quality horses, nor did I see anyone suggest that HNH's mare is not a nice horse. The fact that you and HNH quickly stepped in to clarify that the purchaser had other motives for importing the horse seems to suggest that you agree that importing a trail horse is not a logical proposition, so I am not really sure where the supercilious and argumentative tone of your posts is coming from.
QuantumMark2 wrote:I wish HnH all the success in the world; I don't agree with everyone beating her up.
May 6 10 11:04 AM
Timid Wild One wrote:msmith wrote:I think that you are incorrectly conflating people's surprise that the buyer planned to import a horse to another continent to trail ride with the idea that there is no market for quality horses. I didn't see anyone say that there isn't a market for quality horses, nor did I see anyone suggest that HNH's mare is not a nice horse. The fact that you and HNH quickly stepped in to clarify that the purchaser had other motives for importing the horse seems to suggest that you agree that importing a trail horse is not a logical proposition, so I am not really sure where the supercilious and argumentative tone of your posts is coming from. *applause*OF COURSE you would.QuantumMark2 wrote:I wish HnH all the success in the world; I don't agree with everyone beating her up. *sigh* Can someone tell me where anybody beat up on HNH? A quote would be the most helpful way. Thanks.Perhaps it was because people were calling her buyer "crazy", or "has more money than brains"? *sigh* _________ FTF you are so incredibly and totally missing the point. It makes you happier to argue something that wasn't even remotely hinted at, though, so go ahead and keep fighting the "good" fight.I'm not missing the point at all. When you give someone the benefit of the doubt, it makes sooo much more sense than it does to some who can't think outside their little box. *sighs again*... (<----is that how it's done?)
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May 6 10 11:11 AM
May 6 10 11:12 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote:Timid Wild One wrote:msmith wrote:I think that you are incorrectly conflating people's surprise that the buyer planned to import a horse to another continent to trail ride with the idea that there is no market for quality horses. I didn't see anyone say that there isn't a market for quality horses, nor did I see anyone suggest that HNH's mare is not a nice horse. The fact that you and HNH quickly stepped in to clarify that the purchaser had other motives for importing the horse seems to suggest that you agree that importing a trail horse is not a logical proposition, so I am not really sure where the supercilious and argumentative tone of your posts is coming from. *applause*OF COURSE you would.Sorry, dear. I'm not an AHR member. Far from it. Not sure what point you're trying to make with that comment. Why don't you address what msmith said instead of ignoring it?QuantumMark2 wrote:I wish HnH all the success in the world; I don't agree with everyone beating her up. *sigh* Can someone tell me where anybody beat up on HNH? A quote would be the most helpful way. Thanks.Perhaps it was because people were calling her buyer "crazy", or "has more money than brains"? *sigh* That's funny. Sounds to me like people were questioning the judgment of the BUYER. Not HNH. Unless HNH bought her own horse...your attempt at explanation fails miserably. _________ FTF you are so incredibly and totally missing the point. It makes you happier to argue something that wasn't even remotely hinted at, though, so go ahead and keep fighting the "good" fight.I'm not missing the point at all. When you give someone the benefit of the doubt, it makes sooo much more sense than it does to some who can't think outside their little box. *sighs again*... (<----is that how it's done?)Yes, you are missing the point, since time and time again you have failed to actually address it and instead prefer to start an argument that holds absolutely no relevance to the comments the members here have actually made. Stop trying to argue that we are all just idiots who wouldn't know a quality horse looks like if it kicked us in the face. You're the one who is stuck in her little box. You think we're arguing "A," when in fact we're actually arguing "B". A ≠ B. It's really that simple, and it's incredible you can't see that.
Timid Wild One wrote:msmith wrote:I think that you are incorrectly conflating people's surprise that the buyer planned to import a horse to another continent to trail ride with the idea that there is no market for quality horses. I didn't see anyone say that there isn't a market for quality horses, nor did I see anyone suggest that HNH's mare is not a nice horse. The fact that you and HNH quickly stepped in to clarify that the purchaser had other motives for importing the horse seems to suggest that you agree that importing a trail horse is not a logical proposition, so I am not really sure where the supercilious and argumentative tone of your posts is coming from. *applause*OF COURSE you would.Sorry, dear. I'm not an AHR member. Far from it. Not sure what point you're trying to make with that comment. Why don't you address what msmith said instead of ignoring it?QuantumMark2 wrote:I wish HnH all the success in the world; I don't agree with everyone beating her up. *sigh* Can someone tell me where anybody beat up on HNH? A quote would be the most helpful way. Thanks.Perhaps it was because people were calling her buyer "crazy", or "has more money than brains"? *sigh* That's funny. Sounds to me like people were questioning the judgment of the BUYER. Not HNH. Unless HNH bought her own horse...your attempt at explanation fails miserably. _________ FTF you are so incredibly and totally missing the point. It makes you happier to argue something that wasn't even remotely hinted at, though, so go ahead and keep fighting the "good" fight.I'm not missing the point at all. When you give someone the benefit of the doubt, it makes sooo much more sense than it does to some who can't think outside their little box. *sighs again*... (<----is that how it's done?)Yes, you are missing the point, since time and time again you have failed to actually address it and instead prefer to start an argument that holds absolutely no relevance to the comments the members here have actually made. Stop trying to argue that we are all just idiots who wouldn't know a quality horse looks like if it kicked us in the face. You're the one who is stuck in her little box. You think we're arguing "A," when in fact we're actually arguing "B". A ≠ B. It's really that simple, and it's incredible you can't see that.
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May 6 10 11:22 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: TWO wrote : Can someone tell me where anybody beat up on HNH? A quote would be the most helpful way. Thanks. FTF wrote: Perhaps it was because people were calling her buyer "crazy", or "has more money than brains"? *sigh* _________ TWO wrote: FTF you are so incredibly and totally missing the point.
May 6 10 11:47 AM
ccrarabians wrote:(Runs off to ship FTFOTB a clue.)
Can someone tell me where anybody beat up on HNH? A quote would be the most helpful way. Thanks.
Perhaps it was because people were calling her buyer "crazy", or "has more money than brains"? *sigh*
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May 6 10 11:56 AM
shiggins wrote: I still dont think 9-10k constitutes the upper end of the market, so I dont see where the title comes in to play. If the horse is SO high quality that people from abroad want her so badly, shouldnt she sell for more than 9-10k IF the market for quality horses was SO good?
May 6 10 11:57 AM
May 6 10 12:02 PM
erika wrote:Here's an example: My husband 3 years ago payed $8000 for a right hand drive car from Japan that he can't drive in the winter and that he only drives around the block in the summer, and then polishes with a diaper. When he bought it I told him he had more money than brains. He wasn't offended in the least. Neither was the car salesman.
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