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mtrose wrote:darkclark wrote: Lsrd1 wrote: Just one last plug for QHs - - no, the vast majority don't go around with a super low headset. But many are super easy to just hop on and ride. Most of our sit in the paddock all winter, 4 - 5 months, and I just saddle and go in the spring. The oldest is 26, the youngest is 6.I love QH's, but in my personal experience I have found them to be quite hot, not spooky, but more a belligerent type of hot. The type of hot where they get an idea in their head, and don't really care if you are up top or not, and will ride right through your hands and seat.I also found that they could be darn right scary those first few rides in the spring, after sitting for 4 months over the winter.These were the main reason I switched to an Arab, they are hot, but a more 'honest' hot (as in, they do care if you die).There are some great QH's out there, but so many people automatically think 'QH = beginner friendly.Just my personal experience with the 2 I owned, my boarder's horse, and the 100+ we had over the years growing up.Now in all fairness, my mare ended up dying of HYPP, so that may have been her problem all along. My gelding is race-bred, so hot is expected. My boarder's horse is of working lines, as have all my Dad's horses been.In the end it all comes down to individual personality. I've had a lot of QHs you could turn out for months, bring in, saddle up and ride off like they were ridden yesterday. This is the general consensus of QH's, I've yet to experience it though.I ride a 1/2 Arab mare that is pretty hot and can be silly when left off for only a few days. A few months off and she wants to crow hop and be stupid for the first few rides, then settles down again (but give her a few days off and she wants to crow hop again). She's not a beginner/rerider horse. Then there are other Arabs in the lesson program at the barn I board at that are so sweet and kind and just the perfect beginner horses. My experience with Arabs is that their temperaments are all over the map, it's not even possible to generalize... except the head toss. LOLI think it's a stretch to say one thing or another about an entire breed. Especially since QHs outcross to TBs so you could have an appendix QH with a totally different personality than a horse with different lines (or a hot cutting bred horse versus a foundation horse, etc). One could say the same about most breeds, though, as far as it being about the individual. I like both breeds, so I'm not really biased one way or another (I've just ridden a lot more QHs than Arabs, until recent years). I absolutely agree. My only point was that so many people automatically think all QH's are easy-going, dead quiet horses, which isn't the case. You need to search out the individual just like any other breed.
darkclark wrote: Lsrd1 wrote: Just one last plug for QHs - - no, the vast majority don't go around with a super low headset. But many are super easy to just hop on and ride. Most of our sit in the paddock all winter, 4 - 5 months, and I just saddle and go in the spring. The oldest is 26, the youngest is 6.I love QH's, but in my personal experience I have found them to be quite hot, not spooky, but more a belligerent type of hot. The type of hot where they get an idea in their head, and don't really care if you are up top or not, and will ride right through your hands and seat.I also found that they could be darn right scary those first few rides in the spring, after sitting for 4 months over the winter.These were the main reason I switched to an Arab, they are hot, but a more 'honest' hot (as in, they do care if you die).There are some great QH's out there, but so many people automatically think 'QH = beginner friendly.Just my personal experience with the 2 I owned, my boarder's horse, and the 100+ we had over the years growing up.Now in all fairness, my mare ended up dying of HYPP, so that may have been her problem all along. My gelding is race-bred, so hot is expected. My boarder's horse is of working lines, as have all my Dad's horses been.
Lsrd1 wrote: Just one last plug for QHs - - no, the vast majority don't go around with a super low headset. But many are super easy to just hop on and ride. Most of our sit in the paddock all winter, 4 - 5 months, and I just saddle and go in the spring. The oldest is 26, the youngest is 6.
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erika wrote:HP my understanding from the OP is that the person would be looking to perhaps pop over a very small jump now and then for shits and giggles. Would enjoy w-t-c, pottering around, maybe a jump here and there but certainly nothing over, say, 2".You don't need a horse who excels at jumping to be able to do this, just a horse who is reasonably co-ordinated enough to get himself over a jump safely if he's asked. You can find individuals in pretty much any breed who is capable of handling the kind of "jumping" the OP's friend is interested in doing.
Would enjoy w-t-c, pottering around, maybe a jump here and there but certainly nothing over, say, 2".
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CdnHorseGal wrote:erika wrote:HP my understanding from the OP is that the person would be looking to perhaps pop over a very small jump now and then for shits and giggles. Would enjoy w-t-c, pottering around, maybe a jump here and there but certainly nothing over, say, 2".You don't need a horse who excels at jumping to be able to do this, just a horse who is reasonably co-ordinated enough to get himself over a jump safely if he's asked. You can find individuals in pretty much any breed who is capable of handling the kind of "jumping" the OP's friend is interested in doing.Agreed, here. I think I described her as "competent advanced beginner", which in my head is w-t-c, and baby hunter over fences with adequate form, and without harm to the horse. She (in the past) done hunter courses in the 2'6" range and gotten a ribbon or two at schooling shows both over fences and in equitation. Once she gets her horsey sea legs back, she won't fall off just because Fluffy chips in over that little X, or just plain can't find a spot. If she decides to do one or two for fun once in a while. Jumping will be an incidental, not a goal. If this was to ever come to pass, that is. Which isn't really particularly likely in the forseeable future. I'm not perceptibly more advanced than she is, and I was the lucky gal who first took one of the schoolies over little fences. Not. Pretty. Some sort of morbidly obese carriage horse refugee that got frightened by seeing his own (paddling) hooves whenever we cantered. So not exactly a GP prospect. If I could stick with that, my friend can survive some spazzy gaited attempt at a little obstacle. That said, HP, I do appreciate that you're considering her needs so thoroughly. Maybe just a bit too thoroughly, is all. Tiny fences might make up 2 or 3 percent of her riding time, in this semi-hypothetical situation. CHG
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lopenlead wrote:It doesn't matter what breed it is, the horse just needs to be broke and suitable for the rider's needs.
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AppyButt wrote:lopenlead wrote:It doesn't matter what breed it is, the horse just needs to be broke and suitable for the rider's needs.Essentially, yes. A well broke horse of any breed will be able to do what a typical advanced beginner wants to do. It knows where its feet are, it follows directions, and is fairly tolerant of mistakes b/c it doesn't rely on its rider to hold everything together. Breed is irrelevant, but thinking about breeds is fun!
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xxthephoenix89xx wrote:There are plenty of breeds that can do what she wants to do, AND jump. Why pigeon hole her? That surely doesn't make any sense.
AppyButt wrote:Breed is irrelevant, but thinking about breeds is fun!
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darkclark wrote:AppyButt wrote:lopenlead wrote:It doesn't matter what breed it is, the horse just needs to be broke and suitable for the rider's needs.Essentially, yes. A well broke horse of any breed will be able to do what a typical advanced beginner wants to do. It knows where its feet are, it follows directions, and is fairly tolerant of mistakes b/c it doesn't rely on its rider to hold everything together. Breed is irrelevant, but thinking about breeds is fun!yes.As a re-rider myself it is so incredibly easy to get wrapped up in who you used to be, and what your abilities were then. It comes as a pretty big shock when you realize that you just can't ride like you used to. It really sucks actually. LOL
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darkclark wrote:yes.As a re-rider myself it is so incredibly easy to get wrapped up in who you used to be, and what your abilities were then. It comes as a pretty big shock when you realize that you just can't ride like you used to. It really sucks actually. LOL
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