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Pendragon wrote: @shiggins: I can stand critique, this is no problem for me. It is just that if you critique you should mention the details and why you see something negative and something positive. As to a lot of exterior critiques I found here (and where I normally do not interfere) I see that they are often done in the wrong way. You should look at the total horse first and get the tendency of impression, then you go in detail and see if it serves the whole or still serves the whole or really could lead to problems. Here I often find picking on "negative" things immediately as soon as they are not "standard".(I hope it is understandable what I want to say with this - English is not my mother tongue).When it comes to different breeds I would not say that some breeds have higher standards than others - they have different standards. As for Knabstruppers you will find the sports type (and there you will find a lot of warmblood mainly) and the classical or even baroque type that is pure bred.As to Hussar he is a classical pure bred. He is not out of a show jumping breeding program, he is out of a breeding program in dedication to preserve this rare breed.
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Pendragon wrote:@shiggins and xxthephoenix89xx: You take it the wrong way. I know that he won't be able to jump houses, but he is also not a useless jumper. Besides, I am much more concerned about the way there is picked on single things instead of starting from whole impression (I tried to make my point about this in a previous message). There is a difference indeed.Finally I do also know that neither a professional rider nor a serious breeder would judge a horse or its ability by a photo.No, I am not even bothered. Nevertheless I have to react on such comments as there are so many amateurs out there that read such things (and the human brain is doing very well in remembering negative things and comments much better) and take it for utmost wisdom.
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Pendragon wrote:Besides I personally have always found it the other way round (seeing this on several shows on my own), namely that KNN accepts a lot ZfdP would not take. Knabstruppers with ZfdP branding and later judged by KNN are generally found of top quality, especially when it comes to stallions already licenced by ZfdP. Just to mention a few: Verbandspremium Pegasus vom Niehaus-Hof (now in USA and awarded KNN first premium), Nobodys Harlequin (branded ZfdP high foal premium, now in the U.K. and awarded KNN first premium), Verbandspremium Thore vom Pferdehof (now in the U.K. and awarded KNN first premium), etc..I am aware of some people saying this and some saying that. I do also know that ZfdP still has to fight with a bad reputation resulting of some 17 years ago, when the present breeding director of ECHA, was the breeding director of ZfdP...
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xxthephoenix89xx wrote:^That sort of stuff, the ohhh only the people who knowwww should say something... that's how crappy studs make it through the cracks and on to breed. Yours. Hers. You are both in denial that yours might not be breeding quality, and by not listening to anyone but the people you deem 'experts' (which the bar can be set incredibly high for... ie, unreachable), you get to live in your happy fluffy world. Carry on my friends, carry on. I'm just an imbecile who is blind and can't see blatant conformation faults. ETA: And wtf kind of 'accountability' are you talking about? You gunna shoot me if I see something that you don't agree with? Ban me? This is why free speech is GOOD. You don't get fluffy rainbows and skittles. You get the truth, but since you don't like it, you call everyone stupid kids. Again, take your rainbows.
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Feb 6 11 9:49 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote:Yeah, on this forum, when a person ... still on their first horse...Why is that bad? I am almost 24 and still have my first mule. In fact, I didn't buy another one (a baby to be her replacement) until 5 years ago. I guess I don't see the need to be constantly buying and selling horses/mules when I have ones that fit my needs.
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Feb 6 11 2:51 PM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: xxthephoenix89xx wrote: ^That sort of stuff, the ohhh only the people who knowwww should say something... that's how crappy studs make it through the cracks and on to breed. Yours. Hers. You are both in denial that yours might not be breeding quality, and by not listening to anyone but the people you deem 'experts' (which the bar can be set incredibly high for... ie, unreachable), you get to live in your happy fluffy world. Carry on my friends, carry on. I'm just an imbecile who is blind and can't see blatant conformation faults. ETA: And wtf kind of 'accountability' are you talking about? You gunna shoot me if I see something that you don't agree with? Ban me? This is why free speech is GOOD. You don't get fluffy rainbows and skittles. You get the truth, but since you don't like it, you call everyone stupid kids. Again, take your rainbows. You're what, all of 20 or so? You and others your age don't have the life's experience to be judging anyone's horses. Yeah, you may be able to spot an obvious crooked leg on a horse or something like that, but without years/decades of experience studying breed type and bloodlines, you can't possibly know much beyond that. You haven't lived long enough to be an expert on anything. You can say what you want, but most of it should be in the form of questions. It takes a lifetime of studying a breed to get to the point where you're actually breeding the level of quality that contributes to a breed ideal and breed improvement. Anyone can just breed anything, and it doesn't take years of experience to do that. Anyone can just pick out a horse with a big show record - again, it doesn't take years of experience to do that. It does take years of experience to recognize when a horse with a big show record isn't breeding quality despite those wins. Yeah, on this forum, when a person is only 20, barely out of high school, still on their first horse and still living with their parents, who just cantered for the first time last year, and who doesn't have any experience breeding horses, has absolutely no business mouthing off about the breeding quality of someone's horses on a public forum. Especially when that breeder has decades of life experiences and knowledge behind them. It literally takes years to develop an eye for quality and type. It takes decades of pedigree study. It takes years of experience to know if a horse is breeding worthy or not. When you're only 20, you simply don't have the benefit of those years of experience. Contrary to your belief, you do not know enough to be judging others. You know enough to be a smart ass on an internet horse forum. Those of us who are older were brought up in a time when we respected those who are two or three times our age, whether we agreed with them or not, and we certainly didn't think we knew it all by the age of 20. We were put in our place if we spoke out of turn, and it was usually quite justified; you and others your age have no consequences for your disrespectful attitudes today. And I don't want to hear 'you get respect if you earn it' bullshit. The problem is, you aren't old enough to recognize those who deserve respect. Many young people here simply don't know how to recognize those with the intelligence, literacy, and experience. You were raised in an era where you talk back to your teachers in school, and talk back to your parents. To you, that's normal. You think you are an equal to those with more experience. In reality, you are not. Cathy created an environment where snark and disrespect runs rampant here, so just because you can, doesn't mean you should. It's called self-moderation, and maintaining a higher level of character and respect. The young people here don't follow that very well, including you. The older people who have crossed that line have done so in anger and defense toward the young people who have attacked them. You failed to listen to civility, logic and reason that those of us who are older presented the first time around.
xxthephoenix89xx wrote: ^That sort of stuff, the ohhh only the people who knowwww should say something... that's how crappy studs make it through the cracks and on to breed. Yours. Hers. You are both in denial that yours might not be breeding quality, and by not listening to anyone but the people you deem 'experts' (which the bar can be set incredibly high for... ie, unreachable), you get to live in your happy fluffy world. Carry on my friends, carry on. I'm just an imbecile who is blind and can't see blatant conformation faults. ETA: And wtf kind of 'accountability' are you talking about? You gunna shoot me if I see something that you don't agree with? Ban me? This is why free speech is GOOD. You don't get fluffy rainbows and skittles. You get the truth, but since you don't like it, you call everyone stupid kids. Again, take your rainbows.
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AutumnEffect wrote:forthefutureofthebreed wrote:Yeah, on this forum, when a person ... still on their first horse...Why is that bad? I am almost 24 and still have my first mule. In fact, I didn't buy another one (a baby to be her replacement) until 5 years ago. I guess I don't see the need to be constantly buying and selling horses/mules when I have ones that fit my needs.
Feb 6 11 5:17 PM
xladysadiex wrote: All I can say is AMEN!I'm only 14, and I KNOW I don't know everything about horses, conformation, etc. True, I may know more than most of my friends, but compared to the adults at my barn, I know nothing!I still have my first horse, I only got her last year. She is teaching me loads! I don't think there is anything wrong with still owning your first horse. But buying, selling, and dealing with a lot of different horses gives you experience.So my philosphy is to listen to your elders. They are living textbooks! We can learn so much from them! I know I have already and I know I'll learn a lot more still!
Feb 6 11 7:21 PM
Melyni wrote:It means that someone who has only ever had one horse just does not have the experience as compared with say, someone on their 30th or 40th horse.
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