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Feb 7 11 4:23 AM
AutumnEffect wrote:Melyni wrote:It means that someone who has only ever had one horse just does not have the experience as compared with say, someone on their 30th or 40th horse.While I do see what you are saying, I don't see how getting a different horse every 6 months is better than owning one horse for a long time. Lessons, of course, are not included in this.And somehow, I don't think a 20 year old who has gone through 30 horses has that much more experience than someone who has gone through maybe two or three. IMO, going through 30 horses so quickly means there is a problem (usually with the owner/rider).
Melyni wrote:It means that someone who has only ever had one horse just does not have the experience as compared with say, someone on their 30th or 40th horse.
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Feb 7 11 5:00 AM
equinewoods wrote: FTF, The theory that a 20 something doesn't know shit about conformation and isn't competent enough to form a valid opinion when evaluating a horse is complete and utter bullshit. I know MANY 20 something girls who would run circles around most of the members on this forum and have the experience in their short lives and the NATIONAL and WORLD titles in judging to prove it. Not to mention college paid off and the respect of some of the most respected and renowned horsemen in the country. I won't argue that a lot of snarky, and pointless posts happen from 18-20 somethings, including myself at times, but I just think it's stupid to clump all 20 somethings into one category and call them inexperienced.
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Feb 7 11 5:13 AM
equinewoods wrote:FTF, The theory that a 20 something doesn't know shit about conformation and isn't competent enough to form a valid opinion when evaluating a horse is complete and utter bullshit. I know MANY 20 something girls who would run circles around most of the members on this forum and have the experience in their short lives and the NATIONAL and WORLD titles in judging to prove it. Not to mention college paid off and the respect of some of the most respected and renowned horsemen in the country. I won't argue that a lot of snarky, and pointless posts happen from 18-20 somethings, including myself at times, but I just think it's stupid to clump all 20 somethings into one category and call them inexperienced.
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Feb 7 11 5:40 AM
Melyni wrote:And who said that you had to have them one at a time? See that's a classic example of how lack of experience limits your understanding of how the horse world operates or how people and horses interract. It isn't necessary to own each one, you just have to be the person taking care of them to get the experience. My current barn houses 56 horses, I have run barns with up to 70 at at time. Lesson barns, boarding barns, college programs, competition barns, etc. etc. And had to deal with a lot of different horse situations in all of that. My oldest horse is in her 20's and she's been with me since she was 3 yrs old. When you have more experience and training you will see how things really are. And hopefully you'll be a lot less critical of others since you will by then have a clue as to what is important and what isn't.MW
Feb 7 11 5:49 AM
AutumnEffect wrote: The tone of the some of the posts here is slightly condescending, as if running large barns and having a bunch of horses is the best way to do things. I (and lots of other people) disagree.
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Feb 7 11 6:21 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote:AutumnEffect, I'll give you another example. You own one (or two) horses or mules, correct? They are your first ones. You're all of 23 years old. At best, you haven't existed very long past childhood. It is impossible for you to have the knowledge and experience to judge and criticize someone who has many decades of knowledge and experience owning, showing, judging and breeding horses, especially a breed you are not involved with. I looked back through this thread, and I have not posted anything about the horse in the OP. Nothing. You are not qualified to judge that person or their horses. Which is why I did not. You have not invested equal time yet. It's okay to say you don't like them or their horses, but you aren't qualified to judge or criticize that person's knowledge or the level of quality of those horses or their prospects as breeding animals. Again, which is why I did not. You haven't lived long enough to invest equal time to earn that knowledge and experience.
Feb 7 11 6:23 AM
AutumnEffect wrote:FTF, I felt that her post was saying "look at all the great things I've done, the barns I've managed, the horses I've dealt with and this is the way you get experience". Again, I am not arguing that as a rule, sheer numbers means you have more experience than someone with less numbers. But there are exceptions to that rule and some people are more specialized than others.
Feb 7 11 6:28 AM
Feb 7 11 6:37 AM
AutumnEffect wrote:forthefutureofthebreed wrote:AutumnEffect, I'll give you another example. You own one (or two) horses or mules, correct? They are your first ones. You're all of 23 years old. At best, you haven't existed very long past childhood. It is impossible for you to have the knowledge and experience to judge and criticize someone who has many decades of knowledge and experience owning, showing, judging and breeding horses, especially a breed you are not involved with. I looked back through this thread, and I have not posted anything about the horse in the OP. Nothing. You are not qualified to judge that person or their horses. Which is why I did not. You have not invested equal time yet. It's okay to say you don't like them or their horses, but you aren't qualified to judge or criticize that person's knowledge or the level of quality of those horses or their prospects as breeding animals. Again, which is why I did not. You haven't lived long enough to invest equal time to earn that knowledge and experience. I think you are getting me confused with someone else in the this thread. You can check back through - the first thing I've posted was about owning one horse. That's it. If you can find a post of mine in this thread where I said anything about the horse in the OP, please do.And, just for arguments sake - I have more experience with mules than most people on this board regardless of their age or experience with horses. Does my age mean that my mule experience is void?
Feb 7 11 6:39 AM
AutumnEffect wrote:FTF, did you read my last post?
Feb 7 11 7:03 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote:I wasn't necessarily referring to this thread, and no, I'm not confusing you with anyone else. You and I have a bit of history on this forum, don't we? I don't forget people who have criticized and attacked me or my breeding program easily. Yes, I don't like your stallion. Considering I don't even travel in the circles you do, or have intention of ever traveling in those circles, I am not sure why my dislike of your stallion is such a big deal. Anytime you make anything public, there will be people who don't like it. I'm sure there are people on this board who don't like my mules, and that is fine by me. All that matters to me is that I like my mules. You may have a lot of experience with mules for your age, and you may have more experience with them than most on this board, but I can guarantee you that you have not experienced a lot of things that can and will happen during your time and experience with mules. I can guarantee the the same thing. I never said otherwise. Just because I don't plan on owning very many mules, does not mean that I will not experience things I haven't already. Even with my younger mule, I plan on doing and trying things I never did with the older one. They are no different than horses in that respect. You haven't lived long enough yet. If you were 60, and successfully owned and trained mules all of your life, then you would be the 'go-to' person for me if I wanted to know about all things mules. At age 23, I'm sorry, but you wouldn't be that person, regardless of your experience so far. You haven't earned that privilege, yet. I'm sorry if that rubs you the wrong way. It is not meant to. In other words, you would sooner take mule advice from a 60 year old person who had been in horses their whole life and only mule experience was a trail ride into the Grand Canyon, than me. They do have more overall experience and they are older than me so therefore they must know more. I get what you are saying about time and experience and all that, I just don't see how you can discount the experience I do have so quickly. That's all. I am not arguing about how one gets experience.
Feb 7 11 7:14 AM
AutumnEffect wrote:forthefutureofthebreed wrote:I wasn't necessarily referring to this thread, and no, I'm not confusing you with anyone else. You and I have a bit of history on this forum, don't we? I don't forget people who have criticized and attacked me or my breeding program easily. Yes, I don't like your stallion. Considering I don't even travel in the circles you do, or have intention of ever traveling in those circles, I am not sure why my dislike of your stallion is such a big deal. Anytime you make anything public, there will be people who don't like it. I'm sure there are people on this board who don't like my mules, and that is fine by me. All that matters to me is that I like my mules. You may have a lot of experience with mules for your age, and you may have more experience with them than most on this board, but I can guarantee you that you have not experienced a lot of things that can and will happen during your time and experience with mules. I can guarantee the the same thing. I never said otherwise. Just because I don't plan on owning very many mules, does not mean that I will not experience things I haven't already. Even with my younger mule, I plan on doing and trying things I never did with the older one. They are no different than horses in that respect. You haven't lived long enough yet. If you were 60, and successfully owned and trained mules all of your life, then you would be the 'go-to' person for me if I wanted to know about all things mules. At age 23, I'm sorry, but you wouldn't be that person, regardless of your experience so far. You haven't earned that privilege, yet. I'm sorry if that rubs you the wrong way. It is not meant to. In other words, you would sooner take mule advice from a 60 year old person who had been in horses their whole life and only mule experience was a trail ride into the Grand Canyon, than me. They do have more overall experience and they are older than me so therefore they must know more. I get what you are saying about time and experience and all that, I just don't see how you can discount the experience I do have so quickly. That's all. I am not arguing about how one gets experience.
Feb 7 11 7:21 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote:AutumnEffect wrote:forthefutureofthebreed wrote:I wasn't necessarily referring to this thread, and no, I'm not confusing you with anyone else. You and I have a bit of history on this forum, don't we? I don't forget people who have criticized and attacked me or my breeding program easily. Yes, I don't like your stallion. Considering I don't even travel in the circles you do, or have intention of ever traveling in those circles, I am not sure why my dislike of your stallion is such a big deal. Anytime you make anything public, there will be people who don't like it. I'm sure there are people on this board who don't like my mules, and that is fine by me. All that matters to me is that I like my mules. You may have a lot of experience with mules for your age, and you may have more experience with them than most on this board, but I can guarantee you that you have not experienced a lot of things that can and will happen during your time and experience with mules. I can guarantee the the same thing. I never said otherwise. Just because I don't plan on owning very many mules, does not mean that I will not experience things I haven't already. Even with my younger mule, I plan on doing and trying things I never did with the older one. They are no different than horses in that respect. You haven't lived long enough yet. If you were 60, and successfully owned and trained mules all of your life, then you would be the 'go-to' person for me if I wanted to know about all things mules. At age 23, I'm sorry, but you wouldn't be that person, regardless of your experience so far. You haven't earned that privilege, yet. I'm sorry if that rubs you the wrong way. It is not meant to. In other words, you would sooner take mule advice from a 60 year old person who had been in horses their whole life and only mule experience was a trail ride into the Grand Canyon, than me. They do have more overall experience and they are older than me so therefore they must know more. I get what you are saying about time and experience and all that, I just don't see how you can discount the experience I do have so quickly. That's all. I am not arguing about how one gets experience. Your dislike of my horse doesn't mean a thing to me. Your unqualified criticism is another matter. Again, quantity (mules or horses) doesn't mean a thing, either. It helps, but not sure why you keep bringing that up.Regarding the 60 year old person - I think you missed part of what I said. I said mules, not horses. Mules. Please read my comments again.
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Feb 7 11 7:26 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: It is impossible for you to have the knowledge and experience to judge and criticize someone who has many decades of knowledge and experience owning, showing, judging and breeding horses, especially a breed you are not involved with. You are not qualified to judge that person or their horses. You have not invested equal time yet. It's okay to say you don't like them or their horses, but you aren't qualified to judge or criticize that person's knowledge or the level of quality of those horses or their prospects as breeding animals. You haven't lived long enough to invest equal time to earn that knowledge and experience.
Feb 7 11 7:35 AM
AutumnEffect wrote:forthefutureofthebreed wrote:AutumnEffect wrote:forthefutureofthebreed wrote:I wasn't necessarily referring to this thread, and no, I'm not confusing you with anyone else. You and I have a bit of history on this forum, don't we? I don't forget people who have criticized and attacked me or my breeding program easily. Yes, I don't like your stallion. Considering I don't even travel in the circles you do, or have intention of ever traveling in those circles, I am not sure why my dislike of your stallion is such a big deal. Anytime you make anything public, there will be people who don't like it. I'm sure there are people on this board who don't like my mules, and that is fine by me. All that matters to me is that I like my mules. You may have a lot of experience with mules for your age, and you may have more experience with them than most on this board, but I can guarantee you that you have not experienced a lot of things that can and will happen during your time and experience with mules. I can guarantee the the same thing. I never said otherwise. Just because I don't plan on owning very many mules, does not mean that I will not experience things I haven't already. Even with my younger mule, I plan on doing and trying things I never did with the older one. They are no different than horses in that respect. You haven't lived long enough yet. If you were 60, and successfully owned and trained mules all of your life, then you would be the 'go-to' person for me if I wanted to know about all things mules. At age 23, I'm sorry, but you wouldn't be that person, regardless of your experience so far. You haven't earned that privilege, yet. I'm sorry if that rubs you the wrong way. It is not meant to. In other words, you would sooner take mule advice from a 60 year old person who had been in horses their whole life and only mule experience was a trail ride into the Grand Canyon, than me. They do have more overall experience and they are older than me so therefore they must know more. I get what you are saying about time and experience and all that, I just don't see how you can discount the experience I do have so quickly. That's all. I am not arguing about how one gets experience. Your dislike of my horse doesn't mean a thing to me. Your unqualified criticism is another matter. Again, quantity (mules or horses) doesn't mean a thing, either. It helps, but not sure why you keep bringing that up.Regarding the 60 year old person - I think you missed part of what I said. I said mules, not horses. Mules. Please read my comments again. What do you think is the difference between dislike and unqualified criticism? Can you give me examples of hypothetical comment you could consider dislike and one you would consider unqualified criticism? Or does it depend strictly on the source of the comments?It has nothing to do with the source of the comments. An example of dislike would be, "I don't like the color of that horse", or "I don't like a horse that is put together that way."An example of an unqualified opinion would be someone who is 17, lives on the east coast, is on their first horse that they keep at a hunter/jumper boarding barn, they ride English exclusively, who is criticizing the breeding quality of a western Paint stock horse.The other poster brought up sheer numbers as being necessary for experience/part of gaining experience and you agreed.I agreed that sheer numbers can be one advantage of gaining experience, yes.Again, I get what you are saying about time and experience and all that, I just don't see how you can discount the experience I do have so quickly. That's all. I am not arguing about how one gets experience.I never discounted your experience, for your age. I said it doesn't equal that of a 60 year old with a lifetime of handling mules. That has everything to do with age = experience. I said I would go to the 60 year old for all things mule before I sought your knowledge and experience at your age about all things mule. That is not discounting your experience at all. You can only do so much by the age of 23, and that is something you have no control over.
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