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nicolemorgans wrote:Bliss MF's 3rd time? As a four year old
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forthefutureofthebreed wrote: Contrary to your belief, you do not know enough to be judging others. You know enough to be a smart ass on an internet horse forum. It's called self-moderation, and maintaining a higher level of character and respect.
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forthefutureofthebreed wrote:AutumnEffect wrote:What do you think is the difference between dislike and unqualified criticism? Can you give me examples of hypothetical comment you could consider dislike and one you would consider unqualified criticism? Or does it depend strictly on the source of the comments? It has nothing to do with the source of the comments. An example of dislike would be, "I don't like the color of that horse", or "I don't like a horse that is put together that way."An example of an unqualified opinion would be someone who is 17, lives on the east coast, is on their first horse that they keep at a hunter/jumper boarding barn, they ride English exclusively - who is criticizing the breeding quality of a western Paint stock horse.
AutumnEffect wrote:What do you think is the difference between dislike and unqualified criticism? Can you give me examples of hypothetical comment you could consider dislike and one you would consider unqualified criticism? Or does it depend strictly on the source of the comments?
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terryn wrote:Fact is FTF, there are young people that know just as much as you do, if not more in their areas of expertise.
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If there was a vet student action figure, no children would buy it, and it would need to come with a warning label about increasing the depression in teenagers. Even the commercials for it would be depressing:The new vet student action figure from Mattel! It has foldable legs for long periods of sitting and standing! You can watch its hair turn gray before your eyes! Comes complete with 50lb backpack and scoliosis! Happiness not included.
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phneehowieollie wrote:nicolemorgans wrote:Bliss MF's 3rd time? As a four year oldWANT
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goflippr wrote: Tal is like the Wizard of Oz.
Tal is like the Wizard of Oz.
Feb 12 11 2:11 PM
ccrarabians wrote: forthefutureofthebreed wrote: AutumnEffect wrote: What do you think is the difference between dislike and unqualified criticism? Can you give me examples of hypothetical comment you could consider dislike and one you would consider unqualified criticism? Or does it depend strictly on the source of the comments? It has nothing to do with the source of the comments. An example of dislike would be, "I don't like the color of that horse", or "I don't like a horse that is put together that way."An example of an unqualified opinion would be someone who is 17, lives on the east coast, is on their first horse that they keep at a hunter/jumper boarding barn, they ride English exclusively - who is criticizing the breeding quality of a western Paint stock horse.I understand the point FTF is trying to make. But it would go better with explanations than snark. And then again there will be STILL be many who incorrectly think they're capable of critiquing a breeding program based on one individual, or even one FAULT of one individual. But it would at least be attempting to be more educational than snarky if it was phrased something like:It has nothing to do with the source of the comments. An example of dislike would be, "I don't like the color of that horse", or "I don't like a horse that is put together that way."An example of an unqualified opinion would be someone who is 17, lives on the east coast, is on their first horse that they keep at a hunter/jumper boarding barn, they ride English exclusively has never researched what goes into creating a sustainable look in a breed, never researched how successful operations of the past determined what qualities they wanted and how to get there, never personally seen or talked extensively with multiple who have seen how using "non perfect" stock are an means to an end in every large scale breed/farm/ranch/strain development ever undertaken, never studied with more than one breeder (if any), never tracked conformation and traits and development and progress through 4 or 5 or 6 or more generations, never studied the effects of line breeding both successful and unsuccessful, never truly researched the trends of the breed in question and what has influenced changes in the breed both past and present, never planned for the result they want 3 or 4 generations down the road, (etc etc etc)[/i] - who is criticizing the breeding quality of a western Paint stock horse.Part of the problem is that FTF has expressed the above thoughts before & just doesn't bother any more because it's never gotten through to anybody. I can't really blame her for that. But FTF doesn't take ownership of any of the ill will that she herself has caused either. So I think we're all years past the point of getting anything educational out of these discussions - they're doomed to descend into "you suck!" "oh yeah, well YOU suck MORE!!".Just my opinion, based on observing interactions with FTF here, and in doing (a fraction of FTF's) breed AND breeding research myself in Arabs. Not one of the people here who jump all over BC (and I personally don't *like* him that much) would have created the modern QH, or the modern Arabian, or the modern TB, or the modern Friesian etc etc because they'd have said 99% of the breeding stock that got us here was CRAP. And they were. And they were a PLANNED means to a nice end product.
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: AutumnEffect wrote: What do you think is the difference between dislike and unqualified criticism? Can you give me examples of hypothetical comment you could consider dislike and one you would consider unqualified criticism? Or does it depend strictly on the source of the comments? It has nothing to do with the source of the comments. An example of dislike would be, "I don't like the color of that horse", or "I don't like a horse that is put together that way."An example of an unqualified opinion would be someone who is 17, lives on the east coast, is on their first horse that they keep at a hunter/jumper boarding barn, they ride English exclusively - who is criticizing the breeding quality of a western Paint stock horse.
AutumnEffect wrote: What do you think is the difference between dislike and unqualified criticism? Can you give me examples of hypothetical comment you could consider dislike and one you would consider unqualified criticism? Or does it depend strictly on the source of the comments?
Feb 12 11 2:12 PM
goflippr wrote: shiggins wrote: An unqualified opinion is basically synonymous with an unwelcome opinion, for some. People who have spent their entire riding careers with jumping horses, despite their age, are indeed qualified to have an opinion on the jumping form of a horse. I may be young, but I have 12 years competition experience on jumping horses and I dont think that should be discounted because Im not 60. My opinion holds water whether anyone likes it or not. But the horse is basically preservation bred, apparently, which is a whole different animal... And your opinion in this respect is worth alot more than my opinion even though I'm older because I don't have experience in your area of expertise. Why is that so difficult to understand.
shiggins wrote: An unqualified opinion is basically synonymous with an unwelcome opinion, for some. People who have spent their entire riding careers with jumping horses, despite their age, are indeed qualified to have an opinion on the jumping form of a horse. I may be young, but I have 12 years competition experience on jumping horses and I dont think that should be discounted because Im not 60. My opinion holds water whether anyone likes it or not. But the horse is basically preservation bred, apparently, which is a whole different animal...
Feb 12 11 2:14 PM
terryn wrote: forthefutureofthebreed wrote: Contrary to your belief, you do not know enough to be judging others. You know enough to be a smart ass on an internet horse forum. It's called self-moderation, and maintaining a higher level of character and respect. Pot. Meet Kettle. You are both fucking black.FTF, You are just as much an asshole as these riotous, disrespectful, uneducated, ignorant, know-nothing youths that you disparage. Take some of your own advice before you decide to pound out another six paragraphs of condescending tripe - you are ALMOST as bad as Qmark, and that's saying quite a bit. You experience and age do not automatically go hand in hand. Experience is simply what it is. I'm not one of the '20-something' crowd, believe it or not - I'm a bit older than that. I am confident in my knowledge and experience. I know when I'm outside of my field of knowledge - and how to find the person that can answer my questions.Shiggins and GoFlip nailed the crux of the issue just above. Unwelcome or differing opinions are dismissed as the ramblings of someone who is uneducated. Fact is FTF, there are young people that know just as much as you do, if not more in their areas of expertise. If I wanted help while horse shopping, I'd pick different people to tag along for different reasons - if I wanted it evaluated as a serious eventing prospect, I'd call Shiggins. If I wanted to know about a Barrel Horse I'd call GoFlip. If I wanted to have someone wax poetic about pedigrees, I'd call you.
Feb 12 11 2:32 PM
baxtersmom wrote: terryn wrote: Fact is FTF, there are young people that know just as much as you do, if not more in their areas of expertise.While I agree that there are some young people with a relatively large knowledge base, I think that you must be really underestimating FTF's knowledge and experience to say this. While I certainly understand that people are offended by her attitude, I can also understand why she would be really offended by the comparison.
terryn wrote: Fact is FTF, there are young people that know just as much as you do, if not more in their areas of expertise.
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