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Apr 19 11 5:21 AM
passing through wrote: stx call your vet, I mean your breeder, oh wait are they one and the same?
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Apr 19 11 5:29 AM
stxreiner wrote:mtrose wrote: stxreiner wrote: and what is BC's show record to prove that other qualified APHA judges agree that he has " individual quality and type" of a current APHA champion and is an asset to the future of the APHA breed? And just an observation: if his stud fee is still $750, then based on a somewhat commonly used rule of thumb that weanling/yearlings base value is 3X stud fee, his babies should be worth around $2250.I'm just going to say that this is a little ironic to me, considering that it appears from your website that neither your stallion nor most of your mares have a show record.You're right they don't, but I also don't talk about my horses as if they're the second coming... and I don't get defensive if someone picks them apart.
mtrose wrote: stxreiner wrote: and what is BC's show record to prove that other qualified APHA judges agree that he has " individual quality and type" of a current APHA champion and is an asset to the future of the APHA breed? And just an observation: if his stud fee is still $750, then based on a somewhat commonly used rule of thumb that weanling/yearlings base value is 3X stud fee, his babies should be worth around $2250.I'm just going to say that this is a little ironic to me, considering that it appears from your website that neither your stallion nor most of your mares have a show record.
stxreiner wrote: and what is BC's show record to prove that other qualified APHA judges agree that he has " individual quality and type" of a current APHA champion and is an asset to the future of the APHA breed? And just an observation: if his stud fee is still $750, then based on a somewhat commonly used rule of thumb that weanling/yearlings base value is 3X stud fee, his babies should be worth around $2250.
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Apr 19 11 5:44 AM
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Apr 19 11 5:46 AM
And neither one of you two yahoos have ever had a horse that even came near to winning as much money, or producing as many winners as that palomino horse, that by the way, has almost perfect conformation...
Apr 19 11 5:53 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: stxreiner wrote: mtrose wrote: stxreiner wrote: and what is BC's show record to prove that other qualified APHA judges agree that he has " individual quality and type" of a current APHA champion and is an asset to the future of the APHA breed? And just an observation: if his stud fee is still $750, then based on a somewhat commonly used rule of thumb that weanling/yearlings base value is 3X stud fee, his babies should be worth around $2250.I'm just going to say that this is a little ironic to me, considering that it appears from your website that neither your stallion nor most of your mares have a show record.You're right they don't, but I also don't talk about my horses as if they're the second coming... and I don't get defensive if someone picks them apart. Mediocrity does have its advantages.
stxreiner wrote: mtrose wrote: stxreiner wrote: and what is BC's show record to prove that other qualified APHA judges agree that he has " individual quality and type" of a current APHA champion and is an asset to the future of the APHA breed? And just an observation: if his stud fee is still $750, then based on a somewhat commonly used rule of thumb that weanling/yearlings base value is 3X stud fee, his babies should be worth around $2250.I'm just going to say that this is a little ironic to me, considering that it appears from your website that neither your stallion nor most of your mares have a show record.You're right they don't, but I also don't talk about my horses as if they're the second coming... and I don't get defensive if someone picks them apart.
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Apr 19 11 5:55 AM
kuvaszfan wrote:And neither one of you two yahoos have ever had a horse that even came near to winning as much money, or producing as many winners as that palomino horse, that by the way, has almost perfect conformation... My question then, is it his conformation or his winnings that make him so special? Would he be considered that well conformed and special, if he belonged to an average Joe Shmo doing trail rides? Horses win, because the owners invest time money, more money, some more money, in training and promoting the horse. It's not always the best horse that wins, it's the right owner, the winning combination. The same horse with a different owner could have turned out a lemon.
Fire Water Flit remains one of the leading barrel horse sires of today. He has been on the list of leading sires year after year, and with an unusually high number of winning barrel horses contributing to his successful winnings record. That indicates many different mares, different types of mares, and many different riders are successfully winning riding his offspring.
He was the product of crossing a NFR qualifying mare with Flit Bar, sire of great and successful arena horses of all types. Flit Bar is representative of what has become known as a "magic cross", Leo daughters bred to the great Sugar Bars. Slash J Harletta, his dam, was so successful as a producer of winning barrel horses that her offspring have been referred to as a 'dynasty'.
Fire Water Flit passed away in his stall from natural causes on December 20, 2005.
Flit Bars have a characteristic way of handling themselves in a turn - they are very smooth and easy to ride, and they get their hindquarters low in the ground. The 'Flit Bar era' could be said to have begun in 1975, when Jimmie Gibbs Monroe won the World Championship Barrel Racing title on a Flit Bar son. We don't think that 'era' has ever ended.
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Apr 19 11 5:58 AM
Apr 19 11 6:05 AM
Taldara wrote:Neither are awful horses (they're both pretty nice) but both have loins way longer than ideal. It obviously hasn't bothered them - yay for horses being the sum of their parts. But with loins that long you can't say they're almost 'perfect' IMO. (Oh and I agree that the second horse (ie the son) is goose rumped.)
Apr 19 11 6:08 AM
kuvaszfan wrote:But who buys these horses? I could spend the money it would cost to buy one, and he would sit in the backyard, going on trail rides, play around a little. It's the people who buy these horses that make them winners. They are the market for these horses, or most of them anyway. The ones that end up with folks like me don't reproduce and don't sell to the same crowd.
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Apr 19 11 6:11 AM
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Apr 19 11 6:20 AM
kuvaszfan wrote:Oh, no way, I couldn't do a decent barrel run if my life depended on it. I am in awe at the folks that can. But that's my point, it takes dedication, the desire to do that, the willingness to spend the time, money and effort to compete, that's the market for those horses, that's why they sell, that's why barrel racers will shop for these horses, why they use them to reproduce, even if the conformation is not the best. That's why folks will try to buy offspring from a winning stallion, because they want to win. But that doesn't necessarily make that a better conformed horse. Oh, and I think the Palomino is pretty, no idea if his conformation makes him "breeding quality", obviously he's successful in his sport and had successful offspring.
Apr 19 11 6:21 AM
FourHoofKO wrote:HH I can't read those picture they are too tiny, could you make them bigger please?
Apr 19 11 6:23 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote:The famous Fire Water Flit has a hock sore. Just sayin'.
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Apr 19 11 6:39 AM
HorseHawk wrote:Taldara wrote:Neither are awful horses (they're both pretty nice) but both have loins way longer than ideal. It obviously hasn't bothered them - yay for horses being the sum of their parts. But with loins that long you can't say they're almost 'perfect' IMO. (Oh and I agree that the second horse (ie the son) is goose rumped.)Maybe you don't follow Deb Bennett's conformation thoughts...huh...? And I also disagree the Palomino has long loins...Horse 3. Here we see extreme pelvic slope (32 degrees) or "goose rump”.
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Apr 19 11 6:43 AM
Callisto04 wrote:HorseHawk wrote:Taldara wrote:Neither are awful horses (they're both pretty nice) but both have loins way longer than ideal. It obviously hasn't bothered them - yay for horses being the sum of their parts. But with loins that long you can't say they're almost 'perfect' IMO. (Oh and I agree that the second horse (ie the son) is goose rumped.)Maybe you don't follow Deb Bennett's conformation thoughts...huh...? And I also disagree the Palomino has long loins...Horse 3. Here we see extreme pelvic slope (32 degrees) or "goose rump”. It seems the second one is on a downhill ground, so the angle goes up, no?
Apr 19 11 1:54 PM
Apr 19 11 2:45 PM
Callisto04 wrote:So only the background has a slope? Strange, in the past you always referred to the background and said the horse was angled away to cover that up. Different horse, different logic?
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Apr 19 11 3:13 PM
goflippr wrote: if you turned the picture til the ground was level, why he wouldn't be downhill at all! LOL
goflipper said:From my observations, the best way to make a livelihood in the horse business is to develop a following of impressionable noobie horse people and sell them your products and services. -------beandog73 said:I have come to all these conclusions over a period of time, interaction and research. I don't ask that you take my word for any of it. The information is there, the facts are there, your mileage may vary.
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Apr 19 11 3:32 PM
If there was a vet student action figure, no children would buy it, and it would need to come with a warning label about increasing the depression in teenagers. Even the commercials for it would be depressing:The new vet student action figure from Mattel! It has foldable legs for long periods of sitting and standing! You can watch its hair turn gray before your eyes! Comes complete with 50lb backpack and scoliosis! Happiness not included.
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