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Apr 21 11 7:07 AM
bexs76446 wrote:HorseHawk wrote: And just what would Secetariat have been without his "large heart" gene...? Guess we all know though...as he wasn't considered a great sire of sires, or a sire of great race horses, but a broodmare sire ...Yes, and some of those broodmares produced some great sons- Storm Cat???? In fact, Storm Cats dam, was a great runner.
HorseHawk wrote: And just what would Secetariat have been without his "large heart" gene...? Guess we all know though...as he wasn't considered a great sire of sires, or a sire of great race horses, but a broodmare sire ...
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Apr 21 11 7:10 AM
bexs76446 wrote:HorseHawk wrote: passing through wrote: HorseHawk wrote: And just what would Secetariat have been without his "large heart" gene...? Guess we all know though...as he wasn't considered a great sire of sires, or a sire of great race horses, but a broodmare sire ...HH Man O War was also known as a broodmare sire. It is an often held belief that the broodmares are the gold, as exemplified by the term "Blue Hen Mare." I am confused where you are going with this? That's because Secretariat could not give his large heart to a son & only a daughter, & a dam can give it to a daughter or a son... Again, my point is...What kind(how fast) of a race horse would Secretariat have been without thew large heart/gene that gave him more wind/stamina than the others...?What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once. Many of the Quarter racers have and breed on the X factor. Corona Cash?X factor doesn't mean anything if the horse doesn't have the conformation, train-ability, and will to go with it. In my opinion, THAT is what makes a great horse. Secretariat didn't have to win by 33 lengths, he had that race won out of the gate- it was his will to win that set him apart.
HorseHawk wrote: passing through wrote: HorseHawk wrote: And just what would Secetariat have been without his "large heart" gene...? Guess we all know though...as he wasn't considered a great sire of sires, or a sire of great race horses, but a broodmare sire ...HH Man O War was also known as a broodmare sire. It is an often held belief that the broodmares are the gold, as exemplified by the term "Blue Hen Mare." I am confused where you are going with this? That's because Secretariat could not give his large heart to a son & only a daughter, & a dam can give it to a daughter or a son... Again, my point is...What kind(how fast) of a race horse would Secretariat have been without thew large heart/gene that gave him more wind/stamina than the others...?
passing through wrote: HorseHawk wrote: And just what would Secetariat have been without his "large heart" gene...? Guess we all know though...as he wasn't considered a great sire of sires, or a sire of great race horses, but a broodmare sire ...HH Man O War was also known as a broodmare sire. It is an often held belief that the broodmares are the gold, as exemplified by the term "Blue Hen Mare." I am confused where you are going with this?
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Apr 21 11 7:17 AM
bexs76446 wrote:What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once.
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Apr 21 11 7:25 AM
HorseHawk wrote: bexs76446 wrote: HorseHawk wrote: passing through wrote: HorseHawk wrote: And just what would Secetariat have been without his "large heart" gene...? Guess we all know though...as he wasn't considered a great sire of sires, or a sire of great race horses, but a broodmare sire ...HH Man O War was also known as a broodmare sire. It is an often held belief that the broodmares are the gold, as exemplified by the term "Blue Hen Mare." I am confused where you are going with this? That's because Secretariat could not give his large heart to a son & only a daughter, & a dam can give it to a daughter or a son... Again, my point is...What kind(how fast) of a race horse would Secretariat have been without thew large heart/gene that gave him more wind/stamina than the others...?What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once. Many of the Quarter racers have and breed on the X factor. Corona Cash?X factor doesn't mean anything if the horse doesn't have the conformation, train-ability, and will to go with it. In my opinion, THAT is what makes a great horse. Secretariat didn't have to win by 33 lengths, he had that race won out of the gate- it was his will to win that set him apart. Did Shecky Greene have the large heart gene? He was in the lead for a great distance over Sham & Secretariat ... Secretariat's large heart gave him the "wind" to win by 33 lengths...
bexs76446 wrote: HorseHawk wrote: passing through wrote: HorseHawk wrote: And just what would Secetariat have been without his "large heart" gene...? Guess we all know though...as he wasn't considered a great sire of sires, or a sire of great race horses, but a broodmare sire ...HH Man O War was also known as a broodmare sire. It is an often held belief that the broodmares are the gold, as exemplified by the term "Blue Hen Mare." I am confused where you are going with this? That's because Secretariat could not give his large heart to a son & only a daughter, & a dam can give it to a daughter or a son... Again, my point is...What kind(how fast) of a race horse would Secretariat have been without thew large heart/gene that gave him more wind/stamina than the others...?What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once. Many of the Quarter racers have and breed on the X factor. Corona Cash?X factor doesn't mean anything if the horse doesn't have the conformation, train-ability, and will to go with it. In my opinion, THAT is what makes a great horse. Secretariat didn't have to win by 33 lengths, he had that race won out of the gate- it was his will to win that set him apart.
Apr 21 11 7:29 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: bexs76446 wrote: What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once. Sham never won a race over Secretariat. The only horses that ever beat Secretariat are Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light, and Herbull.
bexs76446 wrote: What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once.
Apr 21 11 7:31 AM
bexs76446 wrote:HorseHawk wrote: bexs76446 wrote: HorseHawk wrote: passing through wrote: HorseHawk wrote: And just what would Secetariat have been without his "large heart" gene...? Guess we all know though...as he wasn't considered a great sire of sires, or a sire of great race horses, but a broodmare sire ...HH Man O War was also known as a broodmare sire. It is an often held belief that the broodmares are the gold, as exemplified by the term "Blue Hen Mare." I am confused where you are going with this? That's because Secretariat could not give his large heart to a son & only a daughter, & a dam can give it to a daughter or a son... Again, my point is...What kind(how fast) of a race horse would Secretariat have been without thew large heart/gene that gave him more wind/stamina than the others...?What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once. Many of the Quarter racers have and breed on the X factor. Corona Cash?X factor doesn't mean anything if the horse doesn't have the conformation, train-ability, and will to go with it. In my opinion, THAT is what makes a great horse. Secretariat didn't have to win by 33 lengths, he had that race won out of the gate- it was his will to win that set him apart. Did Shecky Greene have the large heart gene? He was in the lead for a great distance over Sham & Secretariat ... Secretariat's large heart gave him the "wind" to win by 33 lengths... He finished 6th in the derby- 4 other horse besides Secretariat ran him out. Being a rabbit doesn't set him apart unless he can keep that lead.
Apr 21 11 7:33 AM
bexs76446 wrote:forthefutureofthebreed wrote: bexs76446 wrote: What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once. Sham never won a race over Secretariat. The only horses that ever beat Secretariat are Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light, and Herbull. Um. Sham came in 2nd in the Wood Memorial- Angle Light finished 1st...Secretariat finished 3rd.
Apr 21 11 7:36 AM
forthefutureofthebreed wrote: bexs76446 wrote: forthefutureofthebreed wrote: bexs76446 wrote: What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once. Sham never won a race over Secretariat. The only horses that ever beat Secretariat are Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light, and Herbull. Um. Sham came in 2nd in the Wood Memorial- Angle Light finished 1st...Secretariat finished 3rd. Um, you said "even winning once." Just paying attention to the little details here.
bexs76446 wrote: forthefutureofthebreed wrote: bexs76446 wrote: What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once. Sham never won a race over Secretariat. The only horses that ever beat Secretariat are Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light, and Herbull. Um. Sham came in 2nd in the Wood Memorial- Angle Light finished 1st...Secretariat finished 3rd.
Apr 21 11 7:41 AM
bexs76446 wrote:forthefutureofthebreed wrote: bexs76446 wrote: forthefutureofthebreed wrote: bexs76446 wrote: What does it matter whether he had the large heart gene or not? Sham also had a large heart and he raced against Secretariat many times- even winning once. Sham never won a race over Secretariat. The only horses that ever beat Secretariat are Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light, and Herbull. Um. Sham came in 2nd in the Wood Memorial- Angle Light finished 1st...Secretariat finished 3rd. Um, you said "even winning once." Just paying attention to the little details here. I edited last post to you. I got overzealous and between Zoe-Mai throwing a hanger at the back of my head and baby boy nawing on my arm had brain fart. Was just trying to make point to HH that he did run behind- even to another large heart horse.
Apr 21 11 7:45 AM
Apr 21 11 7:49 AM
bexs76446 wrote:The point HH- what's wrong with large heart gene? Are you against it? If so, why?A large heart isn't anything if the horse doesn't have the conformation, train-ability, and will. ETA: Had to end the quote tunnel madness. :P
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Apr 21 11 9:02 AM
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Apr 21 11 9:50 AM
apocalypsepony wrote: Are we now arguing that Secretariat wouldn't be Secretariat if he weren't Secretariat?
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Apr 21 11 10:23 AM
Apr 21 11 10:49 AM
ddranch wrote: My large heart gene is bigger than your large heart gene!
goflipper said:Just come back in a few years and show what you've produced and what it's done. Until then no one knows shit, and it's just Backyard Breeders Gone Wild. The proof is in the results.
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Apr 21 11 10:53 AM
Apr 21 11 10:55 AM
wolfbitch wrote: I wonder if Secretariat had hock sores.
Apr 21 11 10:57 AM
bexs76446 wrote:wolfbitch wrote: I wonder if Secretariat had hock sores.All the pictures indicate only rug burn.
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Apr 21 11 1:42 PM
HorseHawk wrote:bexs76446 wrote:The point HH- what's wrong with large heart gene? Are you against it? If so, why?A large heart isn't anything if the horse doesn't have the conformation, train-ability, and will. ETA: Had to end the quote tunnel madness. :PI've just had several Secretariat bred horses(grand-get) & wasn't impressed with any of them as barrel horses. As it takes way more than galloping down the home stretch to win at barrel racing.
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Apr 21 11 1:56 PM
Callisto04 wrote:HorseHawk wrote:bexs76446 wrote:The point HH- what's wrong with large heart gene? Are you against it? If so, why?A large heart isn't anything if the horse doesn't have the conformation, train-ability, and will. ETA: Had to end the quote tunnel madness. :PI've just had several Secretariat bred horses(grand-get) & wasn't impressed with any of them as barrel horses. As it takes way more than galloping down the home stretch to win at barrel racing.Indeed, barrel racing also asks for quick turns! And what is good for quick turns? A goose rump, like Firewaterontherocks has. Thanks for reminding us about the actual point of discussion that made me mention Secretariat as a speed horse with a goose rump in an event without quick turns. So what was your point again? PS from your source that is on wikipedia: "A steep slant of the pelvis lowers the point of buttock bringing it closer to the ground & shortening the length of muscles from the point of buttock & the gaskin. Shortens the backward swing of the leg because of reduced extension & rotation of hip joint. A horse needs a good range of hip to get a good galloping speed and mechanical efficiency of hip and croup for power & thrust. Therefore, a goose-rumped horse is not good at flat racing or sprinting" So a goose rump an sich is not even a good thing for galloping down the home stretch.Conclusion: your point that FWOTR can't have a goose rump because he won in barrel racing doesn't make sense because it is mostly a disadvantage in flat racing & sprinting because it limits forward thrust. The fact that barrel racing also asks for quick turns and a goose rump is in favor of quick turns weakens your theory. The example of Secretariat is simply a falsification of your already weak theory.
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