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Sep 21 11 10:32 AM
J Abnorm Psychol. 1996 Aug;105(3):440-5.Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA.SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of Georgia, Athens 30602-3013, USA.AbstractThe authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
Department of Psychology, University of Georgia, Athens 30602-3013, USA.
The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
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Sep 21 11 10:37 AM
Brian Rad wrote:So if a woman gets all upset over a sexual innuendo from a straight man ( real or perceived) it's a legitimate concern.If a straight man gets all upset over a sexual innuendo from a gay man ( real or perceived) it's total bullshit.Got it.
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Sep 21 11 11:03 AM
ravelyan wrote:Brian Rad wrote:So if a woman gets all upset over a sexual innuendo from a straight man ( real or perceived) it's a legitimate concern.If a straight man gets all upset over a sexual innuendo from a gay man ( real or perceived) it's total bullshit.Got it.No. If a straight man is sexually harassed by a gay man, that's a legitimate concern. Simply being gay and in the near vicinity, however, is not sexual harassment.
GasMenagerie wrote:Can I state here in this public forum that I do NOT consent to any type of post-mortem sex? Thanks.
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Sep 21 11 11:45 AM
equestrian054 wrote:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014J Abnorm Psychol. 1996 Aug;105(3):440-5.Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA.SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of Georgia, Athens 30602-3013, USA.AbstractThe authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
Sep 21 11 12:09 PM
Brian Rad wrote:equestrian054 wrote:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014J Abnorm Psychol. 1996 Aug;105(3):440-5.Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA.SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of Georgia, Athens 30602-3013, USA.AbstractThe authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.How do you objectively quantify who is and who isn't "homophobic"? When this guy you have labeled as "homophobic" is sitting behind a one way mirror with twelve undergraduate students with clipboards, stopwatches, and meters - connected to wires that are connected to the base of his penis; he's gonna get a spontaneous and involuntary erection when looking at gay porn?Somebody with a very poor understanding of male sexuality is making this up.
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Sep 21 11 12:13 PM
EagleViewArabian wrote:I'm not in the military but the Dr I work for is a lesbian. AND she's an OB/GYN looking at other women all day long. Oh the horror!Never one time has it ever crossed my mind that she might "look" at me in "that way" or be attracted to another woman in her business. Fucking ridiculous that anyone in the military would ever be concerned about that.
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Sep 21 11 12:38 PM
equestrian054 wrote:Brian Rad wrote:equestrian054 wrote:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014J Abnorm Psychol. 1996 Aug;105(3):440-5.Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA.SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of Georgia, Athens 30602-3013, USA.AbstractThe authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.How do you objectively quantify who is and who isn't "homophobic"? When this guy you have labeled as "homophobic" is sitting behind a one way mirror with twelve undergraduate students with clipboards, stopwatches, and meters - connected to wires that are connected to the base of his penis; he's gonna get a spontaneous and involuntary erection when looking at gay porn?Somebody with a very poor understanding of male sexuality is making this up.Firstly, the men admitted their homophobia. Secondly, it's hard to argue against a purely biological response.
Sep 21 11 12:58 PM
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Sep 21 11 1:29 PM
equestrian054 wrote:I actually agree with you. I would argue that the study doesn't prove causation and that perhaps the arousal is due more to the acts being taboo rather than being secretly turned on. I just enjoy poking people who at the very least act like homophobes.
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Sep 21 11 1:41 PM
HNR83 wrote:No one in the military really thinks this is a big deal, nor is it going to change anything. My husband has been in the Marine Corps for 12 years and they don't give a crap if your straight or gay as long as you do what your suppose. The only thing this will cause is a stricter enforcement of the current military code of conduct.
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Sep 21 11 3:19 PM
Brian Rad wrote:CindyECC wrote:Brian Rad wrote:Yes, you are right, homosexuals have been in the military since there were wars. But when you make it official that openly gay people can serve , what are the unintended consequences? Even in the rest of society, discreet gay people will tell you that people that have to be perpetually in your face with their political statements wears real thin after a while.See the Emmys the other night? Ever hear someone preface a statement with " as a practicing heterosexual" .Should I remind you of my sexual orientation at every opportunity? Sounds absurd, doesn't it?Unfortunately, BRad, sometimes it takes a time period of "in your face political statements" before something will change. Should we need to preface what we say with a statement about our sexual orientation? Of course not. It *should be* a non-issue. But the fact is that, *heterosexuals* made homosexuality an issue first...if people were always free to practice their sexual orientation without recrimination (assuming consenting adults), it wouldn't have to be displayed on posters and in rallies.It's like when men in the workplace get all upset that women are "over reacting" to sexual innuendos. They like to say "sheesh, what's the big deal?" as long as it's not a big deal to THEM and it's in their favor. Sometimes it takes big measures to show people that they're behaving improperly.So if a woman gets all upset over a sexual innuendo from a straight man ( real or perceived) it's a legitimate concern.If a straight man gets all upset over a sexual innuendo from a gay man ( real or perceived) it's total bullshit.Got it.
CindyECC wrote:Brian Rad wrote:Yes, you are right, homosexuals have been in the military since there were wars. But when you make it official that openly gay people can serve , what are the unintended consequences? Even in the rest of society, discreet gay people will tell you that people that have to be perpetually in your face with their political statements wears real thin after a while.See the Emmys the other night? Ever hear someone preface a statement with " as a practicing heterosexual" .Should I remind you of my sexual orientation at every opportunity? Sounds absurd, doesn't it?Unfortunately, BRad, sometimes it takes a time period of "in your face political statements" before something will change. Should we need to preface what we say with a statement about our sexual orientation? Of course not. It *should be* a non-issue. But the fact is that, *heterosexuals* made homosexuality an issue first...if people were always free to practice their sexual orientation without recrimination (assuming consenting adults), it wouldn't have to be displayed on posters and in rallies.It's like when men in the workplace get all upset that women are "over reacting" to sexual innuendos. They like to say "sheesh, what's the big deal?" as long as it's not a big deal to THEM and it's in their favor. Sometimes it takes big measures to show people that they're behaving improperly.
Brian Rad wrote:Yes, you are right, homosexuals have been in the military since there were wars. But when you make it official that openly gay people can serve , what are the unintended consequences? Even in the rest of society, discreet gay people will tell you that people that have to be perpetually in your face with their political statements wears real thin after a while.See the Emmys the other night? Ever hear someone preface a statement with " as a practicing heterosexual" .Should I remind you of my sexual orientation at every opportunity? Sounds absurd, doesn't it?
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Sep 21 11 4:36 PM
newmare wrote:HNR83 wrote:No one in the military really thinks this is a big deal, nor is it going to change anything. My husband has been in the Marine Corps for 12 years and they don't give a crap if your straight or gay as long as you do what your suppose. The only thing this will cause is a stricter enforcement of the current military code of conduct.Most don't care, but some do. And the fact that because this was the law it COULD be used by the "some" that do, is enough reason for it needing to change.
Sep 21 11 4:41 PM
HNR83 wrote:newmare wrote:HNR83 wrote:No one in the military really thinks this is a big deal, nor is it going to change anything. My husband has been in the Marine Corps for 12 years and they don't give a crap if your straight or gay as long as you do what your suppose. The only thing this will cause is a stricter enforcement of the current military code of conduct.Most don't care, but some do. And the fact that because this was the law it COULD be used by the "some" that do, is enough reason for it needing to change. Yes, it's good it got changed. But it's not going to change anything nor is it a big deal to most people.
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Sep 21 11 5:27 PM
Brian Rad wrote:Look, in the interest of fairness, I gotta be honest; I've always thought that the guys who do the most bloviating about how evil homosexuality is are the guys who are most likely one six-pack away from going down on their next door neighbors. But I still think the "study" is fake. I've been around academia enough to know that you can lie with statistics and buffalo people with what looks like legitimate scientific methodology but isn't. The whole of psychology is anything but exact, "hard" science. Someone started with a presupposed hypothesis and massaged ( or fabricated) the facts to make them fit. I am not afraid of homosexuals because I know they aren't attracted to me because I'm not attracted to them. I had a guy come on to me once. It was thirty years ago. I was blind drunk - blood alcohol of like, .3 . I was hanging around a public restroom in a city park at three AM. ( Where not just wear a sign that says; "Please bone me up the ass".) Guy says: " You wanna try a new experience?" I'm like: "Hunh? What?" " You know a new experience"( Nod. Wink.) Hunh? What? He had to pretty much spell it out for me. Finally ........... comes the dawn. "Oh. You want gay sex." I give him directions to a gay bar. He points out that it's three AM and the place is closed. I'm like; "Sorry. Can't help you....." But we aren't talking about me. The military is there to kill people and break their stuff. We are looking for eighteen year olds who want to do just that. There is a reason they don't recruit middle aged men.( Actually, a whole bunch of them.) And now we want them to be all PC and Kumbaya as well. Is that realistic? Is it fair?
Sep 21 11 5:30 PM
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