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fjordiesforme wrote:Re: The Linda Parelli pic: Is there another saddle hiding under the saddle pad? Sure looks like a little cantle peeking out there???Oh,, and DDR- shaddup already.
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ddranch wrote: goflippr wrote: ddranch wrote: Foxhunter wrote: A couple of the worst falls I've had, with nasty concussions, have not been while jumping. Of course, they were while riding racehorses. I've known several lifelong horsemen who have had really bad falls, several of them are now quadriplegics. These were riders who were very well known and well-thought-of in their fields. One was quite famous and accomplished one of the most difficult things possible in horse sports - he won the English Grand National and several Maryland Hunt Cups. He didn't get hurt racing, though, it was just on a green horse. It can happen to anyone on any horse. If you think your experience and ability will keep you from getting badly hurt *coughLindaParelliandDDRcough* you aren't the horseman you think you are.Cough,cough yourarn'teitherhoney cough cough.I know all kinds of people that flew airplanes their entire life without a single accident also.I also know of someone that fell out of bed and broke their neck too.They should have worn a helmet to bed for sure.So what's your point? Do you think that people shouldn't wear helmets when they ride horses? That people that scold other people for not wearing helmets are full of cra...I mean contradict themselves.Safety can be linked to some of the gear but ultimately the safety is in the decision making and that has to be learned.Or just suit up as you get out of bed in the morning and don't stop at helmets.More people die each year from overeating junk food and smoking their life away than die from horses and the lack of a helmet.You don't get to have it both ways and if life is that sacred wear body armor and go on a diet.But we all know that life is not precious and is one of the most wasted commodities on the planet.
goflippr wrote: ddranch wrote: Foxhunter wrote: A couple of the worst falls I've had, with nasty concussions, have not been while jumping. Of course, they were while riding racehorses. I've known several lifelong horsemen who have had really bad falls, several of them are now quadriplegics. These were riders who were very well known and well-thought-of in their fields. One was quite famous and accomplished one of the most difficult things possible in horse sports - he won the English Grand National and several Maryland Hunt Cups. He didn't get hurt racing, though, it was just on a green horse. It can happen to anyone on any horse. If you think your experience and ability will keep you from getting badly hurt *coughLindaParelliandDDRcough* you aren't the horseman you think you are.Cough,cough yourarn'teitherhoney cough cough.I know all kinds of people that flew airplanes their entire life without a single accident also.I also know of someone that fell out of bed and broke their neck too.They should have worn a helmet to bed for sure.So what's your point? Do you think that people shouldn't wear helmets when they ride horses?
ddranch wrote: Foxhunter wrote: A couple of the worst falls I've had, with nasty concussions, have not been while jumping. Of course, they were while riding racehorses. I've known several lifelong horsemen who have had really bad falls, several of them are now quadriplegics. These were riders who were very well known and well-thought-of in their fields. One was quite famous and accomplished one of the most difficult things possible in horse sports - he won the English Grand National and several Maryland Hunt Cups. He didn't get hurt racing, though, it was just on a green horse. It can happen to anyone on any horse. If you think your experience and ability will keep you from getting badly hurt *coughLindaParelliandDDRcough* you aren't the horseman you think you are.Cough,cough yourarn'teitherhoney cough cough.I know all kinds of people that flew airplanes their entire life without a single accident also.I also know of someone that fell out of bed and broke their neck too.They should have worn a helmet to bed for sure.
Foxhunter wrote: A couple of the worst falls I've had, with nasty concussions, have not been while jumping. Of course, they were while riding racehorses. I've known several lifelong horsemen who have had really bad falls, several of them are now quadriplegics. These were riders who were very well known and well-thought-of in their fields. One was quite famous and accomplished one of the most difficult things possible in horse sports - he won the English Grand National and several Maryland Hunt Cups. He didn't get hurt racing, though, it was just on a green horse. It can happen to anyone on any horse. If you think your experience and ability will keep you from getting badly hurt *coughLindaParelliandDDRcough* you aren't the horseman you think you are.
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pentack wrote:ddranch wrote: goflippr wrote: ddranch wrote: Foxhunter wrote: A couple of the worst falls I've had, with nasty concussions, have not been while jumping. Of course, they were while riding racehorses. I've known several lifelong horsemen who have had really bad falls, several of them are now quadriplegics. These were riders who were very well known and well-thought-of in their fields. One was quite famous and accomplished one of the most difficult things possible in horse sports - he won the English Grand National and several Maryland Hunt Cups. He didn't get hurt racing, though, it was just on a green horse. It can happen to anyone on any horse. If you think your experience and ability will keep you from getting badly hurt *coughLindaParelliandDDRcough* you aren't the horseman you think you are.Cough,cough yourarn'teitherhoney cough cough.I know all kinds of people that flew airplanes their entire life without a single accident also.I also know of someone that fell out of bed and broke their neck too.They should have worn a helmet to bed for sure.So what's your point? Do you think that people shouldn't wear helmets when they ride horses? That people that scold other people for not wearing helmets are full of cra...I mean contradict themselves.Safety can be linked to some of the gear but ultimately the safety is in the decision making and that has to be learned.Or just suit up as you get out of bed in the morning and don't stop at helmets.More people die each year from overeating junk food and smoking their life away than die from horses and the lack of a helmet.You don't get to have it both ways and if life is that sacred wear body armor and go on a diet.But we all know that life is not precious and is one of the most wasted commodities on the planet.ddr- between the people you know that can't catch their horses, buy cheap, shitty saddles and now can't manage to lay in a bed properly, it is no wonder you think you are God's gift to horsedom. You seriously need to upgrade.
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AppyButt wrote:I've never understood why thinking that wearing a helmet or not is a personal choice and not really anybody else's business is such a big deal, which is what most people here are saying. Unless you are a minor or otherwise subject to someone else's rules (riding a horse that is not yours, show rules, etc), wearing a helmet isn't anyone else's decision but your own. Many of the things we do as adults are our own choices, good or bad, for better or worse. Why should wearing a helmet or any other type of safety gear be different? Shit happens, people get hurt. Sometimes it's their fault and sometimes it isn't.
Dec 24 11 10:47 AM
AppyButt wrote:I've never understood why thinking that wearing a helmet or not is a personal choice and not really anybody else's business is such a big deal, which is what most people here are saying. Unless you are a minor or otherwise subject to someone else's rules (riding a horse that is not yours, show rules, etc), wearing a helmet isn't anyone else's decision but your own. Many of the things we do as adults are our own choices, good or bad, for better or worse. Why should wearing a helmet or any other type of safety gear be different? Shit happens, people get hurt. Sometimes it's their fault and sometimes it isn't. But that would be logical and we can't have that now can we.
Dec 24 11 10:49 AM
CindyECC wrote:AppyButt wrote:I've never understood why thinking that wearing a helmet or not is a personal choice and not really anybody else's business is such a big deal, which is what most people here are saying. Unless you are a minor or otherwise subject to someone else's rules (riding a horse that is not yours, show rules, etc), wearing a helmet isn't anyone else's decision but your own. Many of the things we do as adults are our own choices, good or bad, for better or worse. Why should wearing a helmet or any other type of safety gear be different? Shit happens, people get hurt. Sometimes it's their fault and sometimes it isn't. That depends. Do you have enough health insurance to cover an extended hospital stay? Or will the public be picking up the tab if you're in a coma for 2 yrs from a *possibly* preventable head injury? I've argued this type of thing before. As members of a community/society, we ALL have a certain level of responsibility. It's not ALL personal choices because potentially *everything* we do impacts others...whether it's immediate family, the community or just a financial burden to the public in general. This does NOT mean that all of our personal rights are secondary to our societal responsibility...but there has to be a balance and a compromise.Would I mandate that all riders in a "professional" situation wear helmets? Yes. As in, if a clinician is putting on a clinic (getting paid for it), then the instructor and riders wear helmets while on horseback. Or if it's a show, participants wear helmets. Yes, even the fancy dressage riders should lose the top hats and wear a helmet. Doesn't matter how you try to argue it...IF you take a fall, a helmet CAN prevent injuries. That's not saying it will prevent injuries 100% of the time, but if you don't wear it, it's guaranteed to NOT help 100% of the time.Would I carry the argument so far as to say riders should wear chest protectors and other protection? Nope. Because, again, it's a balance. A helmet is an EASY and rather inexpensive piece of equipment to wear to potentially protect you from COMMON injuries to your head. Granted a chest protector will protect your ribs and internal organs, but those types of injuries from horseback aren't as common.I also wouldn't take the argument so far as to say that, in a personal capacity, everyone has to wear helmets, because, again, there has to be a balance. I usually don't wear a helmet if I'm riding in the indoor round pen. It's sand. Yes, I know I could hit my head hard enough or even hit a round pen panel. But it's a relatively "safe" environment. However, on trails or riding in the outdoor (rock/gravel/harder surface), I put the helmet on.
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