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Dec 24 11 4:59 PM
CindyECC wrote:AppyButt wrote:Everything you have talked about here is a personal choice. You choose to take responsibility or not. You choose to care or not. You choose to patronize clinicians and trainers who practice what you view to be right. You choose to follow show rules and wear a helmet. You choose to set your own rules that all who ride your horses wear helmets. Or whatever it is that you have decided. You weigh the risks and make a decision. Or you don't weigh the risks and blunder on ahead anyway. Those are also choices. People who do the former tend to make choices that improve their safety. People who do the latter will usually hurt themselves in some other way, helmet or not. Personally I don't like others to tell me what I can and cannot do on my own time and with my own head. I choose to wear a helmet because I don't like the idea of going splat on the gravel road. If others choose not to, I can't make them, and I wouldn't really want to anyway. Mandating personal responsibility is generally self-defeating. Responsibility is a choice, and one that everyone has to make for themselves. Forcing people into it doesn't make them more responsible, it just adds something else to the list of things they "have to do". A list of things they will happily ignore at the first opportunity. So do you just completely ignore that your personal decisions have an impact on those around you? Unfortunately, some people DO always make the wrong choices and have OTHER people paying the price for those choices. I completely agree with you on not wanting people to tell me what to do or not do. I also don't want to live in a society that tries to enforce myriad rules on its members. You've said that responsibility is a choice and I agree with that, too. But the problem lies in what we do about people who CHOOSE to not take responsibility for their actions. If you didn't wear a helmet and your head went splat, I can't choose to say "Um, no, you can't keep her on life support because I don't want my tax/insurance dollars to go toward her medical care."I'm just saying that our PERSONAL choices impact other people's choices, and as such, we should take that into consideration. I don't wear my helmet because I'm completely concerned about myself...I wear it out of love and respect for my husband and children, too.
AppyButt wrote:Everything you have talked about here is a personal choice. You choose to take responsibility or not. You choose to care or not. You choose to patronize clinicians and trainers who practice what you view to be right. You choose to follow show rules and wear a helmet. You choose to set your own rules that all who ride your horses wear helmets. Or whatever it is that you have decided. You weigh the risks and make a decision. Or you don't weigh the risks and blunder on ahead anyway. Those are also choices. People who do the former tend to make choices that improve their safety. People who do the latter will usually hurt themselves in some other way, helmet or not. Personally I don't like others to tell me what I can and cannot do on my own time and with my own head. I choose to wear a helmet because I don't like the idea of going splat on the gravel road. If others choose not to, I can't make them, and I wouldn't really want to anyway. Mandating personal responsibility is generally self-defeating. Responsibility is a choice, and one that everyone has to make for themselves. Forcing people into it doesn't make them more responsible, it just adds something else to the list of things they "have to do". A list of things they will happily ignore at the first opportunity.
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proudmoma wrote:Fucking reality. It's so real.
Dec 24 11 5:40 PM
Foxhunter wrote:Plus, I'd much rather have a permanent limp than a permanent head injury. I rather like being able to wipe my own butt.
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Dec 24 11 6:04 PM
ddranch wrote:Just how dangerous is horseback riding? Anyone who has climbed on the back of a horse is acutely aware of how dangerous horseback riding can be. But after some research, I was quite surprised to find out just how dangerous our sport is in comparison to other risky activities. For instance, and this statistic is a shocker, horseback riding has a higher injury rate than motorcycle riding! On average, a motorcycle rider will experience an injury once every 7000 hours of riding. Horseback riders, however, can expect to sustain an injury once every 350 hours of riding. Most horseback riding injuries occur in the upper extremities like the wrist, elbow, and shoulders. (As a matter of fact, shoulder injuries are most common among Event riders.) In addition, spinal injuries and head trauma come under this category and are frequently more serious. Injuries to the lower extremities such as the knee, ankle, and foot occur most often in rodeos. In addition, though most injuries result from riding accidents, some happen while handling horses from the ground. (I’ll vouch for that. I broke some ribs and almost had to have a toe amputated. Both of these injuries occurred while I was standing next to my horse!) The most common types of injuries are bruises, strains, and sprains followed by fractures, dislocations, and concussions. Fortunately, most horseback riding accidents rarely result in death. Those that do are usually due to head trauma. Don’t let these statistics keep you from enjoying your horse though. Like any sport, taking precautions, receiving training, and using the right equipment will help keep you safe and healthy
Anyone who has climbed on the back of a horse is acutely aware of how dangerous horseback riding can be.
But after some research, I was quite surprised to find out just how dangerous our sport is in comparison to other risky activities.
For instance, and this statistic is a shocker, horseback riding has a higher injury rate than motorcycle riding! On average, a motorcycle rider will experience an injury once every 7000 hours of riding. Horseback riders, however, can expect to sustain an injury once every 350 hours of riding.
Most horseback riding injuries occur in the upper extremities like the wrist, elbow, and shoulders. (As a matter of fact, shoulder injuries are most common among Event riders.) In addition, spinal injuries and head trauma come under this category and are frequently more serious.
Injuries to the lower extremities such as the knee, ankle, and foot occur most often in rodeos.
In addition, though most injuries result from riding accidents, some happen while handling horses from the ground. (I’ll vouch for that. I broke some ribs and almost had to have a toe amputated. Both of these injuries occurred while I was standing next to my horse!)
The most common types of injuries are bruises, strains, and sprains followed by fractures, dislocations, and concussions.
Fortunately, most horseback riding accidents rarely result in death. Those that do are usually due to head trauma.
Don’t let these statistics keep you from enjoying your horse though. Like any sport, taking precautions, receiving training, and using the right equipment will help keep you safe and healthy
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Dec 24 11 6:30 PM
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Dec 24 11 6:48 PM
Libertyrider wrote:ddranch wrote:Just how dangerous is horseback riding? Anyone who has climbed on the back of a horse is acutely aware of how dangerous horseback riding can be. But after some research, I was quite surprised to find out just how dangerous our sport is in comparison to other risky activities. For instance, and this statistic is a shocker, horseback riding has a higher injury rate than motorcycle riding! On average, a motorcycle rider will experience an injury once every 7000 hours of riding. Horseback riders, however, can expect to sustain an injury once every 350 hours of riding. Most horseback riding injuries occur in the upper extremities like the wrist, elbow, and shoulders. (As a matter of fact, shoulder injuries are most common among Event riders.) In addition, spinal injuries and head trauma come under this category and are frequently more serious. Injuries to the lower extremities such as the knee, ankle, and foot occur most often in rodeos. In addition, though most injuries result from riding accidents, some happen while handling horses from the ground. (I’ll vouch for that. I broke some ribs and almost had to have a toe amputated. Both of these injuries occurred while I was standing next to my horse!) The most common types of injuries are bruises, strains, and sprains followed by fractures, dislocations, and concussions. Fortunately, most horseback riding accidents rarely result in death. Those that do are usually due to head trauma. Don’t let these statistics keep you from enjoying your horse though. Like any sport, taking precautions, receiving training, and using the right equipment will help keep you safe and healthyHow come you didn't bother to continue to highlight the passage - oh yeah because it gives the full story and not just the partial truth you want people to read. Reality is (and I read through all your different statistics) head injuries due to riding accidents are more prevalent than you want to admit and some can end in dire circumstances. And for the record I am going to requote myself from an earlier post:You're missing the point. No one here has stated that wearing helmets should be mandatory. What they are saying is that a person like LP who is in a position where other look up to her should be more responsible with her remarks. Her reasoning behind why she does not need to wear a helmet is asinine as many people have pointed out even the best trained horses can have accidents.
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Dec 24 11 7:01 PM
There appears to be little difference in the associated risk of suffering a head injury between Western and English styles of riding.
Fact #1: Between 12 to 15 million persons in the United States ride a horse or pony every year. Fact # 2: Approximately 20 percent of horse related injuries occur on the ground and not riding. Fact # 3: Most riding injuries occur during pleasure riding. Fact # 4: The most common reason among riders for admission to hospital and death. are head injuries. Fact # 5: A fall from two feet (60 cm) can cause permanent brain damage. A horse elevates a rider eight feet (three meters) or more above ground. Fact # 6: A human skull can be shattered by an impact of 7-10 kph. Horses can gallop at 65 kph. Fact # 7: According to the National Electronic Surveillance System figures the most likely ages for injury is at 5-14, and 25-44 years with each decade having about 20 percent of the injuries. Fact # 8: A rider who has one head injury has a 40 percent chance of suffering a second head injury. Children, teens and young adults are most vulnerable to sudden death from second impact syndrome: severe brain swelling as a result of suffering a second head injury before recovery from the first head injury. Fact # 9: Death is not the only serious outcome of unprotected head injuries. Those who survive with brain injury may suffer epilepsy, intellectual and memory impairment, and personality changes. Fact # 10: Hospital costs for an acute head injury can be in the range of $25000 per day. Lifetime extended care costs may easily exceed $3 million. There is no funding for rehabilitation outside the medical setting. Fact # 11: Helmets work. Most deaths from head injury can be prevented by wearing ASTM (American Society for Testing Materials), SEI (Safety Equipment Institute) approved helmets that fit correctly and have the harness firmly applied. Other types of helmets, including bike helmets, are inadequate. Fact # 12: Racing organizations require helmets and as a result jockeys now suffer less head injuries than pleasure riders. The US Pony Club lowered their head injury rate 29 percent with mandatory helmet use. Britain's hospital admission rate for equestrians fell 46 percent after helmet design improved and they became in routine use. Fact # 13: The American Academy of Pediatrics, The American Medical Association through the Committee on Sports Medicine, Canadian Medical Association, and the American Medical Equestrian Association/Safe Riders Foundation (Now the EMSA) recommend that approved, fitted and secured helmets be worn on all rides by all horseback riders.
Dec 24 11 7:40 PM
ddranch wrote:Libertyrider wrote:ddranch wrote:Just how dangerous is horseback riding? Anyone who has climbed on the back of a horse is acutely aware of how dangerous horseback riding can be. But after some research, I was quite surprised to find out just how dangerous our sport is in comparison to other risky activities. For instance, and this statistic is a shocker, horseback riding has a higher injury rate than motorcycle riding! On average, a motorcycle rider will experience an injury once every 7000 hours of riding. Horseback riders, however, can expect to sustain an injury once every 350 hours of riding. Most horseback riding injuries occur in the upper extremities like the wrist, elbow, and shoulders. (As a matter of fact, shoulder injuries are most common among Event riders.) In addition, spinal injuries and head trauma come under this category and are frequently more serious. Injuries to the lower extremities such as the knee, ankle, and foot occur most often in rodeos. In addition, though most injuries result from riding accidents, some happen while handling horses from the ground. (I’ll vouch for that. I broke some ribs and almost had to have a toe amputated. Both of these injuries occurred while I was standing next to my horse!) The most common types of injuries are bruises, strains, and sprains followed by fractures, dislocations, and concussions. Fortunately, most horseback riding accidents rarely result in death. Those that do are usually due to head trauma. Don’t let these statistics keep you from enjoying your horse though. Like any sport, taking precautions, receiving training, and using the right equipment will help keep you safe and healthyHow come you didn't bother to continue to highlight the passage - oh yeah because it gives the full story and not just the partial truth you want people to read. Reality is (and I read through all your different statistics) head injuries due to riding accidents are more prevalent than you want to admit and some can end in dire circumstances. And for the record I am going to requote myself from an earlier post:You're missing the point. No one here has stated that wearing helmets should be mandatory. What they are saying is that a person like LP who is in a position where other look up to her should be more responsible with her remarks. Her reasoning behind why she does not need to wear a helmet is asinine as many people have pointed out even the best trained horses can have accidents. I would like to know who in their right mind would look up to Linda Parelli and use her as a role model.Only someone that already had brain damage and a helmet wouldn't help anyway.
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Dec 26 11 8:14 AM
tagalong wrote: Meet in between the disciplines according to tack - in endurance - and everyone must wear helmets. Always.
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goflippr wrote:ddranch wrote: Being involved in various sports through my life I can't help but notice that there are two kinds of people in the world.The people that (when they fall) roll,tuck,and protect themselves and their head.The people (when they fall) that go into the ground like a lawn dart head first, no matter what causes them to fall or how high off the ground they are.These people should always wear a helmet and other body protection no mater what they do.I know how to fall and I train people how to properly fall.Most people use avoidance as a primary defense to falling and I prepare to fall. You crack me up.
ddranch wrote: Being involved in various sports through my life I can't help but notice that there are two kinds of people in the world.The people that (when they fall) roll,tuck,and protect themselves and their head.The people (when they fall) that go into the ground like a lawn dart head first, no matter what causes them to fall or how high off the ground they are.These people should always wear a helmet and other body protection no mater what they do.I know how to fall and I train people how to properly fall.Most people use avoidance as a primary defense to falling and I prepare to fall.
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