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Nov 18 12 11:51 PM
Susan in Idaho wrote:Vegans who yap at you for being unethical meat eaters are just as annoying as meat eaters who tell you about the necessity of eating meat for health, or to support ranchers, or because "it's natural/cave man/God's will," or whatever their unsupported belief it. The simple truth is that jerks will be jerks regardless of what they eat. I've been a vegetarian for more than 25 years. I don't eat anything that had a mother. That's my rule, for me. I don't care if anyone else follows it. Being middle aged with low cholesterol and a healthy body weight that has not increased since high school are my personal rewards. Listening to people tell me that they could "never" get enough protein/vitamins/minerals without meat (B.S.) or that they think people were put on earth to use animals (you're right, it's all about you), or some other crap are my personal punishments. But I don't think that being a meat eater makes a jerk a jerk. I think that being veg just gives the jerks a topic for their bad conversation.
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WiltedRose wrote:I am vegan for two reasons. I personally can not look at an animal product and not think of an animal that I haven't loved on and petted. It makes me sick to think of killing an animal needlessly. My health has also improved since becoming vegan, as I have an auto-immune disease, and eating an organic vegan diet has really helped me quite a bit. That being said, there are certain things that I just am undecided on, particularly horse tack. I do NOT like synthetics, I think they are terrible for the environment and I hate using them, however, I hate using leather tack because of where it comes from. Consequently I own both synthetic and leather tack, whatever fits my horse better for the particular item, because I really just dont know which bothers me more. I personally, however, have no issue with people eating "homegrown" food. Once I finish college, I fully intent to start eating eggs again by having my own chickens. I had them for years and they were spoiled rotten, and never 'distressed" by us taking thier eggs, and lived on several acres and had a cozy house to roost in at night. I also am not opposed to people who raise their own dairy, but I personally wouldn't eat it again because I feel much healthier and more full of energy now that I don't have it anymore. I also don't mind people eating meat around me. That is their decision and I don't feel the need to push myself on them. I do get teased on a daily basis though about being vegan (My boyfriend tells me I eat funny food) and have found that many more people push eating meat on me then I have seen vegans push on people who eat meat. I try to avoid using soy products, and only get them occasionally as a treat. (The occasional box of veggie burgers or a quick meal, or soymilk in my coffee from starbucks).
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Nov 19 12 7:11 AM
I doubt that Holden Caulfield ever inspired more than sullen cigarette smoking.
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Nov 19 12 7:33 AM
lebijourouge wrote:I am not vegan. Hell, I am not even vegetarian. I went through a vegetarian stage when in college but that is about it. Many of my friends are vegetarian and/or vegan...in college my roommate was vegan. I am against big industry farming. I only eat meat a few times a week and I buy my dairy and meat from the farmer's market and a local CSA group. I support local farming. I am an aspiring homesteader myself and I have an immense respect for those who embrace a self sustaining lifestyle.I recently had a discussion with a (new) vegan friend that sort of rubbed me the wrong way. She was telling me that it was unethical to consume the eggs of your own backyard chickens. I tried to explain to her that the difference between eggs produced on a commercial level and the eggs from your own pet chickens was infinitesimal, but she wouldn't have it. How is eating the egg of an animal you lovingly care for (that is going to lay that egg whether you are there or not) a crime against nature?
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Nov 19 12 7:34 AM
Hey, man try growing up with a mom who orders Whoppers with no meat!!
Something I never understood, my mother doesn't have a green thumb she has a green hand. That woman walks by plants and they shiver and stretch and grow and bloom. I have a black thumb and can't grow anything. It's so bad on Mothers day Abby bought me a plant and she bought condolence card for the plant saying I'm sorry your going to die. I always walk by my moms plants and tell them they are suicidal because she is going to eat them! She once plucked a twig from the mesquite tree my grandfather was buried under. It has bee struck by lightening and burnt to a crisp. She wrapped it in a paper towel and stuck it in the back of the car. 3 weeks later when we got home, she walked out into the yard and stuck this pencil of a twig in the ground.There is now a mesquite tree in Virgina beach Va. It grew!!! WTH!! My mom once told me that cow fart were making holes in the ozone. She asked me how I was going to help the ozone. I said by eating the cows 1 steak at a time.
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Gold wrote:A little OT - but so often the 2 are tyed together is the whole "organic" faze.The carbon footprint of an organic field is twice that of a non-organic field. So you save an animal, but kill the entire planet with the diesel used to produce your product?My son spent 3 years working on a commercial organic farm raising blue corn for chips - The number of times he drove a tractor around that field was astonishing - Also the crop coming off of there was really kind of disgusting, the bugs, and the weed seeds made a really unappetizing looking raw product. (the chips were good though!)
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"Keep your face to the sun, and you'll never see the shadows." Helen Keller
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Cobsize wrote:I've got a friend who moved her family to the USA from the UK a year ago and they have gone almost completely veggie as she can't source any ethical meat where she lives, in the UK we have strict animal welfare and drug/hormone laws regarding meat and milk animals plus you can get slightly more expensive free range/organic options and sustainably sourced fish in every supermarket.
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