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May 5 14 3:06 PM
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May 5 14 3:12 PM
Trixina wrote:Her son apparently rides, at least. I found FB pages for mom and son. So far I'm not finding any "rescue" references or requests for funds. Do you have any info on that?
May 5 14 3:23 PM
May 5 14 3:29 PM
Trixina wrote:Charging board is just a general business, not a charity. More info: looks like she rides or used to ride H/J out of Sandhaven Farm in Woodside. I found some show results, and her registration card showed several horses for her and one for her son.
May 5 14 3:39 PM
May 5 14 3:47 PM
Trixina wrote:I buried that site, but IIRC it had her in the ribbons in the .07 meter range at a fairly well-regarded show or two. Not GP level, but she's no spring chicken. And I found the CA Corp info, it's a regular corporation, not a LLC, and under Rockridge Equine Retirement, Inc.
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May 5 14 3:52 PM
May 5 14 3:56 PM
Trixina wrote:Always good to ask the lawyers, eh, DDR? Good find, Mr. Smith!
May 5 14 3:57 PM
msmith wrote:Here's a link to their 2012 990 return. 990
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May 5 14 4:42 PM
May 5 14 4:45 PM
wolfbitch wrote:Too bad they didn't have "Tea Party" or "Occupy" in the name of their charity. The IRS would have automatically flagged them, right?
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May 5 14 6:33 PM
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May 6 14 9:35 AM
GasMenagerie wrote:Misinformation: informing FiSHes for 3 years now.
May 6 14 11:38 AM
colorisnteverything wrote:That is a really bare bones 990. When I was in a nonprofit class last year, we were far more detailed in the fake 501(c)(3) paperwork we set up. I don't think there's anything suspicious necessarily in the 990 but it's pretty bare. The section O is WAY more simplistic than almost any I've seen for a legit charity in the past. Also, depending on the state, you *can* have family members on the board. However, they all should have to fill out conflict of interest information and I was told it was a "red flag" at least when it comes to grant funding. I'm comparing this to service orgs, though, which are a pretty different type of organization altogether. So I'm not sure how "normal" that is. Running a nonprofit is really hard and really stressful.
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May 6 14 12:22 PM
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May 6 14 12:52 PM
ddranch wrote:GasMenagerie wrote:They spent some money to get in this magazine http://issuu.com/horseandstylemag/docs/h_sfebmar-online/63They are also advertising in a Pope Valley roper newsletter and the Bay Area Equestrial network.Pretty ballsy if they aren't legit.The guy used the place across the street as a start and then put my old place under the 501c3 too.They don't live in either place and the 501 is listed in San Francisco.They have doubled the population over what I had on the place.No riding, volunteers or donation drives.No community work and so far 6 dead horses.
GasMenagerie wrote:They spent some money to get in this magazine http://issuu.com/horseandstylemag/docs/h_sfebmar-online/63They are also advertising in a Pope Valley roper newsletter and the Bay Area Equestrial network.Pretty ballsy if they aren't legit.
May 6 14 1:55 PM
ddranch wrote:colorisnteverything wrote:That is a really bare bones 990. When I was in a nonprofit class last year, we were far more detailed in the fake 501(c)(3) paperwork we set up. I don't think there's anything suspicious necessarily in the 990 but it's pretty bare. The section O is WAY more simplistic than almost any I've seen for a legit charity in the past. Also, depending on the state, you *can* have family members on the board. However, they all should have to fill out conflict of interest information and I was told it was a "red flag" at least when it comes to grant funding. I'm comparing this to service orgs, though, which are a pretty different type of organization altogether. So I'm not sure how "normal" that is. Running a nonprofit is really hard and really stressful.I think it would be very hard to meet all the requirements.If I could ask you to look at the paperwork from another angle for a moment and if you wanted to shelter as much of your normal expenses on horses and create a big tax write off what would the paperwork look like?
May 6 14 2:17 PM
colorisnteverything wrote:ddranch wrote:colorisnteverything wrote:That is a really bare bones 990. When I was in a nonprofit class last year, we were far more detailed in the fake 501(c)(3) paperwork we set up. I don't think there's anything suspicious necessarily in the 990 but it's pretty bare. The section O is WAY more simplistic than almost any I've seen for a legit charity in the past. Also, depending on the state, you *can* have family members on the board. However, they all should have to fill out conflict of interest information and I was told it was a "red flag" at least when it comes to grant funding. I'm comparing this to service orgs, though, which are a pretty different type of organization altogether. So I'm not sure how "normal" that is. Running a nonprofit is really hard and really stressful.I think it would be very hard to meet all the requirements.If I could ask you to look at the paperwork from another angle for a moment and if you wanted to shelter as much of your normal expenses on horses and create a big tax write off what would the paperwork look like?I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "very hard to meet the requirements". A lot of animal rescue orgs (legitimate ones) DO meet these requirements, so that's what I meant. It can. Here is one from an organization I used to volunteer with:http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2012/352/107/2012-352107038-0953044b-9.pdfNote the donations, different grant, and other information filled in. Also note the board of directors notes, etc. This is what the 990s I have seen quite often look like for legit orgs.Here's a Humane Society in the same county/city:http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2012/356/064/2012-356064277-09e000f9-9.pdfLooks more legitimate. Itemizing programs, donations, etc. is really important and most organizations that ARE legitimate will do so. When you look through a 990, you want to see that they are actually DOING programming not just taking in money and claiming a loss. The charity in question looks suspect based on the 990,as I said before. It's not necessarily bad or good (although it seems to jive with what you've found out that they are fishy) based on that alone but I wouldn't want to donate to them based on how little I actually see going on there.
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